agisnake's picture

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There can be no better sign of spiritual development than control over passion and anger. If one can control these, one can control life.

barbara's picture

The opposite!

I firmly and categorically disagree.

This is an unfortunate mistake common to many people, especially religious ones.

The sign is the complete opposite: You are well developed spiritually when you are able to release all control and resistence against anything including passion and anger, when instead you accept whatever is - there is anger? so let it be, there is passion? so let it be...

This behavior is always accompanied by deep realization that the anger, fears, passions are not really you and are not really completely under your influence and that trial to control and resist them only leads to suffering and identification with them - so why bother because of them?

barbara | Sat, 05/09/2009 - 10:42
george's picture


Acceptance = acceptance of the possibility that this annoying/painful "thing" may stay here forever. Therefore, willingness to live side by side with it.

All this is summarized in merely a radical change in the tactics against suffering: instead of trying to control by trying to chase the pain away (which appears to only increase the suffering), trying to live side by side with the pain.

Control can only come in the very beginning when the mind is strong and therefore some discipline is necessary to embark on the path or in very advanced stages when control does not trigger conflict anymore since the mind is too weak. In between, no control ( = acceptance) is the best policy.

george | Sat, 05/09/2009 - 11:11
Omkaradatta's picture

No, it is not.

"Acceptance = acceptance of the possibility that this annoying/painful "thing" may stay here forever."

No, it is not. Acceptance is acceptance of the fact that this annoying/painful "thing" is here now. The future has nothing to do with acceptance what-so-ever.

In fact, accepting that something "may stay here forever" is ego. This is how ego maintains itself, through dreams of past and future. "I may have to bear this pain forever" is a powerful ego-booster. Whenever "me" against "it" (or "you") is involved, ego is involved too.

Omkaradatta | Sun, 05/10/2009 - 13:52
Phroggy's picture


I agree with your disagreement. Maybe an expression of anger (or whatever) is the appropriate, spontaneous response to a given situation. There is no problem with it until there is one who becomes attached to it by either identifying with it or identifying with it's absence.

Ultimately, the same can be said for all 'ego issues' and self improvement as well. When it is clearly seen that ego is false, what is to be done with the associated 'issues'? Of course, the realization of the falsity of ego presupposes that ego is no longer operating unconsciously nor is there anybody strongly attached to how the mind/body may express. This is, of course, why it's a good sign that there is nothing trying to control the expression.

This functioning can also be very deceptive to those who are inclined to project their own ego onto the one who has lost interest in ego. Even the 'enlightened' master may express anger when appropriate, but this does not mean he has lost control of his ego, it means there in no longer anyone to lay claim to it's responses.

Phroggy | Sat, 05/09/2009 - 20:13