Check by yourself if you are the doer

nancy pro's picture

Average: 4.6 (16 votes)

What if I tell you
that a split of second
before you finish doing something
it is already done?

What if I tell you
that a split of second
before you tell your body to do something
the body has already begun doing it?

What if I tell you
that a split of second
before you decide to do something
it was already decided?

What if I tell you
that you just claim ownership
over deeds which are not yours?

Don't believe my words blindly, you can check by yourself if what I say is true.

Just a split of second. Just be attentive. You will see that it was already.

george's picture

Thank you!

What I love in your posts is that you are very careful in abstaining from the bad convenient habbit of using sloagans as most spiritual writers tend to do. You have a lot of honor to your readers and encourage them not to take anything as a fact before they experience it. I always know that I can therefore trust you.

Indeed, when being very diligent, you notice that when you decide to do an action, it was already initiated a micro tiny split of a second before. It is very difficult to notice that because we are so conditioned to the idea that we are the originators of our actions. Amazing.

george | Fri, 06/12/2009 - 19:28
nancy pro's picture

Thank you dear.

Thank you dear.

nancy pro | Sat, 06/13/2009 - 08:39
mrkotians's picture

What If?

Absolutely Right... Enlightening....

mrkotians | Sat, 06/12/2010 - 18:20
Phroggy's picture


Great! So what are the implications of this insight?

Phroggy | Sun, 06/14/2009 - 05:36
nathan's picture

Deep rooted realization

Try it and you will see. Talking about it will give nothing.

In general it is a deep-rooted realization that you are not the doer, not the usual intellectual understanding of it which is merely favoring a borrowed idea because it makes sense.

nathan | Sun, 06/14/2009 - 13:17
anderlaus's picture

Validated in laboratory experiments

What you describe was validated in laboratory experiments and when experienced is of invaluable benefit for the ability to truly break the problematic identification with the body and mind.

I don't remember the reference and names of the leading scientists who conducted the experiments. I will add this info later. In the experiments, the examined is connected to wires that can inflict him electric shocks and his brain waves were constantly measured. In a different separate room sat another person who had a switch and could determine when and if the wired person gets the shock by using the switch.

The brain waves showed that about 3 seconds prior to an actual pressing on the switch the examined already knew subconsciously that he is about to get the shock.

anderlaus | Thu, 09/24/2009 - 10:57
mrsnacks's picture

Interesting but please

Interesting but please explain more. You are saying the body has already done it and how is that so ? If it is referring to taking a baseball and throwing it - it can't be done before that action. are you referring to the thought that arose to get a ball and throw it ? That can't be it because there are times when there aren't thoughts arising to take action. It just happens. Most times without thinking. How is it already decided ? Why would you say a moment before and not a moment before that moment ? I agree that we are not the doer. Because there is no person doing anything.

mrsnacks | Tue, 10/06/2009 - 22:47
divine intervention's picture

What the post described can

What the post described can be experienced firstly either in very deep meditations or by using certain drugs. After the first time, you can connect to it and see it in daily life.

We are just conditioned to think that the sequence is my decision -> my command -> done. Actually when you find yourself deciding to do something, it has been decided a split of second before, when you think you command your hand to do it, it has already started to be done. It appears that we only add this interpretation of a doer constantly because we deeply believe that we are the originator but in reality we are not.

The beauty of that is that you do not need to believe in it, you can experience it. It changes your view of reality and yourself completely.

divine intervention | Tue, 10/06/2009 - 22:57
mrsnacks's picture

I agree in that there is no

I agree in that there is no doer and the doing is not me. A decision is made or there is a deciding but who is doing this?
There is no self doing or deciding. It just happens as I go to walk or run it just happens. There is no sequence of a me deciding to put my left foot out and to move this muscle this way or that etc. I don't care to take drugs or meditate to experience this but you may be right. I have a difficult time seeing that it is done before it is done.

mrsnacks | Wed, 10/07/2009 - 05:28
diogenes's picture

Yes! Not that it necessarily


Not that it necessarily matters, but research in neuropsychology supports this as well.

diogenes | Mon, 08/13/2012 - 01:03
Nathyogi's picture

Re: Check by yourself.....

Without doer, there will never be any blog or post or comment or the website, etc.

Nathyogi | Sat, 04/18/2015 - 06:23
leo's picture

Incorrect! Try what she suggests and you will see

Why an action needs a doer? your statement is simply something you were conditioned so strongly to believe. That conditioning is a core obstacle to find the truth, try what she suggests and you will see by yourself.

leo | Tue, 10/27/2015 - 08:05
Nathyogi's picture

Re: Incorrect! Try what she suggests and you will see

It is not belief. It is truth. Everyone is conditioned. Some are with truth, some with science, some with falsehood, etc (according to their bodily actions, words and thoughts). Tell me who is not conditioned.
Can you reply without a being a doer?
It is triune (the doer, the deed and the done).

Nathyogi | Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:30
leo's picture

suit yourself

suit yourself

leo | Wed, 10/28/2015 - 09:06
Nathyogi's picture

Re: Suit Yourself

Self does not suit yourself or myself or himself or herself or itself.

Nathyogi | Wed, 10/28/2015 - 09:54