Chaos, Peacfullness and India

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You cannot be peaceful unless you accept the underlying chaotic nature of reality, unless you acknowledge chaos and surrender to it. Otherwise, you are indulging in the vain fighting against the inherit chaotic nature of the "what is" which brings conflict and restlessness.

Why is it so difficult to accept chaos? you may wonder. You can easily see the reason for this difficulty if you inspect what we mean when we say chaos.

Chaos means that there is a "piece" of reality on which we are incapable to impose a familiar pattern, we fail to modelize it and thus our mind is very limited in cognizing this piece. The danger the mind sees in this failure is the lose of control. Something which can not be recognized under known familiar patterns, cannot be manipulated and controlled.

So the obvious reason for our difficulty to accept chaos is the fear of losing control which is one of the greatest fears of the mind.

In normal daily western life, the mind can easily deceive itself and pretend that everything is ordered, that there is no chaos, that everything is subject to the process of pattern recognition. Whatever seems not to adjust and be modeled is simply ignored, filtered or suppressed as if it does not exist. Only the controllable exists.

And at this point enters India. In India, even the most mischievous minds cannot ignore chaos. The chaos in India is so blunt, so apparent, no one tries to hide it, the streets, the people, the way the rickshaws navigate, the horns, the broken pedestrian paths, the cows, the dirt, the aesthetics, the bended rules, the ceremonies, the time frames, the promises, the mess that infiltrate through all the senses. In India, the mind is left with two radical options only: to get into depression by trying to keep on holding firmly and hopelessly to an apparent view of controllable order or alternatively to surrender to chaos, to admit that the "what is" is chaotic by its nature beyond any possible control, to give up the hopeless pattern recognition processes it is so addicted to, to give up the filtering of anything which does not bear a recognized pattern. Therefore, in India, even the most stubborn western minds finally become peaceful by not resisting anymore to what is (or become insane by insisting to resist).

This is why I love India so much, this is why I feel in India so relaxed against the so apparent chaotic background.

I am now in Pharganj, the main bazaar in Delhi, which is the shrine of chaos upon India, which, in turn, is the kingdom of chaos upon earth.



santthosh kumaar's picture

enjoy every bit of India

Santthosh
Hi erez,
Our India is a great country. Every aspect of Indian life is a outer quest to discover the spiritual realities. India is a mother land of all types of knowledge, and it caters every type of seeker to find his spiritual food.

Enjoy every bit of India and write a book on your personal experiences with spiritual and religious and yogic people you interacted with.

It is a very nice thing you are writing your experince through this blogs, it definitely helps others who wants to visit India.

Have a blissful time in India.TAKE CARE
SANTTHOSH

santthosh kumaar | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 08:30
erez's picture

dear friend

dear friend santthosh,

thanks!

you are so fortunate to happen to live here...

erez | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 08:46
sisi's picture

I have the same experience

I have the same experience each time i travel to India. after a certain time of adjustment and resistance, i am one with the chaos.

I wonder why reality is chaotic or maybe it is, as you say, our order-biased view that defines reality as chaotic...

sisi | Sat, 09/27/2008 - 11:49
shond's picture

it is our view that looks

it is our view that looks for order.

shond | Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:17
barbara's picture

the important thing is that

the important thing is that by acknowledging external chaos, you come to accept the internal chaos, stopping to filter mental objects that do not fall into the predefined view. This is the real achievement when one is traveling in India.

barbara | Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:22
suzame's picture

Inner and outer

Beautiful.

Yes, whatever you see in India exists elsewhere - shit, dirt, death, chaos, poverty, loneliness, suffering, deseases - it is just uncovered there. No subconscious, everything on the surface.

After you adjust to it, you become uncovered too and there start the Indian spiritual processes to work, if you let them work. This is part of the reason why spiritual people are feeling drawn to India, it is not the pujas and the temples as many think, sometimes including them themselves.

suzame | Fri, 11/21/2008 - 17:21
dan77's picture

don't miss it

For those who have never been yet to India: though all the above is correct it might sound worse than it is, India is a paradise for spiritual people and it is easy to manage there and adjust, sometimes it takes a few days, that's all and then all opens. Plus, there are good clean hotels and luxurious transportation options for very low prices for those who are more spoiled :-)

You see there many western old ladies and gentlemen getting along with young travelers - all equal in the spiritual curiosity.

A spiritual person who does not makes the initial effort (of overcoming the fear from the unknown and different) to go to India, misses a lot. One cannot understand what is going on on that planet before he lands there...

dan77 | Thu, 01/08/2009 - 22:05
anony17's picture

The play of opposites

Beloved Erez,
yes, you have experienced India's 'underlying chaos', and how it in a way brings a sense of calm...
But did you sense that deeper still there exists an uninterrupted stillness- untouched and unconcerned with the superficial restlessness and chaos?
That is the essence- although there is such a riot of unsettling cacophony, deep within, India resides in an unfathomable stillness...
It is this eternal play of opposites that make India so intriguing and enigmatic...
What do you say to that...?
Love and Blessings,
Deepam

anony17 | Fri, 01/23/2009 - 04:00
barbara's picture

everywhere

You are right but this stillness background exists everywhere regardless of location.

If one is still, he can tune into this stillness and feel it the same way you a radio apparatus attunes to a certain frequency of a station.

barbara | Fri, 01/23/2009 - 08:04
anony17's picture

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anony17 | Thu, 02/26/2009 - 07:38
atlantis's picture

Idealization

If I may, I think this is a bit of romantization and idealization of a typical bad trait of many of the Indian people that are simply too lazy to do proper maintenance (no offense).

This same trait of course has an effect on their spiritual sadhana preventing them from being diligent enough - a big obstacle.

atlantis | Thu, 02/05/2009 - 20:47
anony17's picture

You are absolutely right.

Beloved A,

You are absolutely right.

But I personally do not see non-industrious people as spiritual at all...

I believe that one becomes completely active for the benefit of the welfare of people and the whole world once one has stepped into a spiritual life.

It is akin to a spinning top- which looks totally still even though it is in immense movement. But there is a balance even in its motion.

Spiritual life is similar. If someone has moved inwards, it does not mean withdrawal from worldly activities at all.

In fact, to a spiritual person the chaos apparent in the world is exactly like the movie on a screen in a cinema. Once you can recognise that it is simply an impression upon an unmoving, unchanging screen, the film loses its 'reality'...

Our consciousness is like the movie screen, and the world- whether chaotic or serendipitous, is simply a projected superimposition- which has no reality, except what we give it...

So, to the spiritual person, playing in this chaos, is equivalent to reposing in the eternal stillness- both are exactly the same...

In case one avoids the world and its activities, one has simply not realised that one is still holding on to the idea that stillness is separate and preferable to chaos...

Which implies duality, and a preferance for a physical, mental and emotional state with lesser 'entropy'...

The people that you talk of- who pompously claim to be spiritual, and escape worldly responsibility, and shirk the chaotic worldliness, and making India (or for that matter any other place) more 'clean' and beautiful, are plain and simple lazy, and need to be shaken out of their 'self-aggrandising' stuporic existence...

Love and Blessings,
Deepam

anony17 | Fri, 02/06/2009 - 05:19
Omkaradatta's picture

Withdrawal from worldly activities

> If someone has moved inwards, it does not
> mean withdrawal from worldly activities at all.

It can, as the inward becomes more interesting than the outward. In my view, it does result in a full engagement with life, but probably on a much smaller and more limited scale (minus the mind's greed to experience).

As quality is much more important than quantity, this is a positive thing. Better to do one thing completely than fifty things incompletely.

> ... are plain and simple lazy, and need to be
> shaken out of their 'self-aggrandising' stuporic
> existence...

Are you going to go shake them out, or is this one of ego's attempts to create "me vs. you" differences? I submit that you know no existence but your own.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Fri, 02/06/2009 - 06:02
archana.anchal's picture

thats the biggest test

the life of India provides you the biggest treasure in the form of all the spiritual guides and the serene places like Himalayas, Banaras, Kashi and many other at the very same time, it will test your learnings..thats why it is said that realizing self become a little more easy when you are in India..
Best Regards

archana.anchal | Fri, 03/13/2009 - 13:31
nancy pro's picture

Spiritual wonderland

They say location is not important as the within is the same. This sounds true but proves wrong in experience by anyone who ever traveled to India on a spiritual voyage. There is much more in it than the simplistic overruling statement about the outer.

I say to all those who dismiss upfront a spiritual trip to India: If it is laziness then fine, if it is a problem with dirt and chaos then fine, otherwise, go to India before you dare to make any conclusive statement.

nancy pro | Fri, 05/22/2009 - 14:45
mystic_saurabh's picture

What was the essence of the post?

Jai Shri Guru!

From reading the post, I gather that its essence was something else and India was an example.

I loved the post.

I agree with it.

The mind wants to 'control' things around and the outer chaos makes it very difficult. Mind you though that this chaos is not just in India....It is also in England, USA, Denmark and any other less populated and first world country with best of modern luxuries.

What I found as the crux of the problem was "Chaos means that there is a "piece" of reality on which we are incapable to impose a familiar pattern, we fail to modelize it and thus our mind is very limited in cognizing this piece."....HAHA nice......but ladies and gentleman, since this is the cause of mind PERCEIVED chaos, it can be generated by the mind anywhere.

I wonder if billionaires of past of the first world countries did not experience any chaos in their lives?? They did/do of course.

I wonder if saints and highly spiritually evolved humans existed in poor and 'chaotic' countries? Yes they did/do.

It's all a mind game.

I had read a Psychology article long time ago around how when we focus on one particular area then the other areas may suffer a bit because of this diverted attention.....until a point when the first act of focus becomes a second nature act, then the other areas can be concentrated on.

For example, if I focus on my Financial Planning career then it will progress, however, my focus on Psychology (as I love it too) will not be as much because my energies are diverted. This may go on until a point when I am an excellent Financial Planner who has years of experience and can do his thing being on an 'auto pilot' with an excellent efficiency because it has now become my second nature. From this point on if I focus on Psychology, I will be able to do good justice to it and will be able to see good progress in it....Can you see the point?

It is my view that in the same way when one gives a lot of attention to the inner spiritual world (and that area in general) then he/she is not able to focus on the material/outer life as much as an atheist person would!

So the spiritual person can experience the material area to be on the back seat until such a point maybe when his spiritual state is so evolved that he/she can be blissfully active spiritually on an auto-pilot (maybe its called nirbikalpa samadhi or self-realisation ???) and then you see such spiritual masters doing their work in the outer world so effortlessly that they don't even need to sit in a cross-legged conscious meditation pose haha.

Spiritual or religious Indians have been focusing much on their spiritual or religious activities very much for eons....so much so that when confusion increased in the spiritual area on a large scale due to kaliyug, both worlds are in a limbo and ignored and most are confused I think.....of course there are some who are very diligent. To add to all of this, there is an over-population crisis with limited resources.

I don't know if I am just yapping or can anyone see what I am trying to explain.

I can be wrong, but this is what I think it is at the moment.

Thank you for porting this article my friend!

Jai Guru!

Saurabh

mystic_saurabh | Fri, 08/27/2010 - 12:45
mystic_saurabh's picture

Perfect track for the bliss within chaos!

So after posting the previous comment I go to my facebook account and my friend had shared this video....this video somehow is an exact example for me of the bliss within chaos in India LOL
check check - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXrq2-jF7w&feature=player_embedded#at=18

CRAZYYY WICKEDD!! CHANGE IS CONSTANT SO CAN BE CHAOS IF CONTROL CANNOT BE CONSTANT ;) lol

mystic_saurabh | Fri, 08/27/2010 - 12:58
rajj's picture

Flower

Lotus always grows up in the Dirt.

rajj | Fri, 08/27/2010 - 13:09
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

There's No Chaos!

The tern chaos suggests in a state of unintended array but existence doesn't have anything not preplanned. Even the mind suggesting chaos is predetermined by existence.

What we have is a state of mind programed into us using abstract opposites like love/hate, good/evil, god/devil, pretty/ugly and more which cause us not to see purpose for things. Most man don't recognize reincarnation is controlled by karma making every action of every entity on earth predestined to perform those acts with the attitudes causing them.

It is for that cause people feel things are in a state of unintended array but it doesn't exist. Nothing and Chaos are two terms which are themselves abstracts or paradoxes, there's no way to substantiate their existences.
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--Elijah "NatureBoy"-- Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:52
cositirozasx's picture

The bewilderment in India is so blunt

The bewilderment in India is so blunt, so apparent, no one try to put out of sight it, the street, the citizens, the method the rickshaws steer the horns, the busted ambler pathway, the scare, the filth, the aesthetics.

cositirozasx | Mon, 11/05/2012 - 11:33
Mr jack's picture

if only there was a way

if only there was a way round the toxic injections, that seem to be mandatory. maybe i'm wrong.

Mr jack | Tue, 04/23/2013 - 21:55
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Go Through, Not Around It.

Do you think hogs believe their way of living is a toxic injection? Why, then, do you believe man is so much more than they? The people who live in such an environment as they will have a stronger immune system that those who want to live above such situations. Therefore, purify the mind of the conditioned belief it's a toxic injection and live with it for a stronger health life without the chemicals man make to strengthen our immune systems and go through it or a stronger one.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 04/23/2013 - 22:15