Atheist

genep's picture



Average: 3.8 (4 votes)

An atheist has the most simple wisdom: “you live, you die.”

If an atheist could bypass society's value systems
he would be instantly not only a psychopath
but Enlightened, Self-realized.

The irony:
our Gurus, experts, masters, sages and saints spend their whole life questing for the same Self-realization... that realizes that there is nothing to believe in – we all just go through the motions of living and dying:
Nothing more, nothing less: you live you die.
-- Really Really REALLY.



shond's picture

simplistic is not simplicity

You assume beforehand things that I think are evidently incorrect:

(1) The atehist's "wisdom" of "you live, you die" is not simple at all, it just ignores the complex, it does not solve it, it is just a mind-made deception. This is not simplicity, you may better say that it is simplistic. It doesn't take into account the important aspects, it doesn't explain anything (e.g. how come a child is formed, what is the metadesign, how come paranormal phenomena happen, Quantum theory, how is it that I happen to be the phantom that sprouts in this body as per the atheist thesis and many more. It is a theory, a very bad one if you inspect it seriously.

(2) Realized ones do not realize at all that there is nothing to believe in, on the contrary, they are completely in tune with the beyond. It is just a case of terminology - the belief which stands for some certainty and connectivity with the beyond becomes a conviction, they are connected and in direct touch with things that are for us metaphysical, beyond the reach of our standard senses.

"You live, you die" is an easy solution for those who do not wish to be bothered by the truth. They reduce reality to a simplistic model by overlooking the bothering questions. This is the irony. It is like I sumall about a car: "it is made of steel" without noticing that it explains nothing about how the car is able to go from one place to another, and so on.

shond | Sat, 11/28/2009 - 15:57
genep's picture

Crucify Jesus

.."You live, you die" is an easy solution for those who do not wish to be bothered by the truth. "

Limitless lies fortify each truth:

you can ONLY be bothered by a truth
if you ignore all the lies that fortify it.

And Jesus got crucified for saying nothing less.

-- really, Really REALLY.

genep | Sat, 11/28/2009 - 19:32
Bercano's picture

Seriously, and the More Convoluted ...

Yeah know...you appear/L@@K like an example of "Seriously, Important and the More Convoluted"...the Better and More, ...It just ALLLL Must have a Meaning types philosophy.

1)"you live, you die" is not simple at all, it just ignores the complex, it does not solve it, it is just a mind-made deception.
Actually...that's just it....Seeking, questing in itself is a Mind-made deception...there is Not a Complex ...Nor does anything Needs solving.

2)Realized ones do not realize at all that there is nothing to believe in, on the contrary, they are completely in tune with the beyond. etc etc
Actually,...Realized Ones...realize....they are part of Self-Dreaming....within THAT, DREAM....they Eat, they Drink, Poop...are are DOINGGGG, = Live and Die...and every Ones in awhile do you have a 'Realized One', that is Really Really Really about being in a dream....those, they are usually having Gigantic Bowl-movements...they dream, that they can think and most of all they dream that they have Wisdom and Knowledge to teach....They take PRIDE, Importance, Seriousness to a Level they then call BEyond;)

ohh.....a thought comes to mind....LOLLL A Saying : we are Chopping Wood before Enlightenment....as well as we are chopping Wood after enlightenment...................and I can easily hear Somebody saying...Yeah had to go through the process Blah Blah Blah.....My Standard Answer is that NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGG changed....NOT even or especially, After enlightenment;)

When Self got sick of his saints
and bored with guru's
he created me ...
to LAUGH at Everythingggg

they took seriously.

B-Self, Eternal Infinite Sri Fukkamee Swami

Bercano | Sat, 11/28/2009 - 19:54
B-friend's picture

Quest shuns

How do we know we are alive to begin with? How do we know that this isn't the realm before life? If we are dead, what is life?

Besides that, if we don't know whether we are alive or dead, why bother with such concepts? Even the concepts of life and death are deep rooted conditionings of the mind are they not? What if another state exists besides life or death? Wouldn't the mind only concerning itself with life or death keep us ignorant of that state? Isn't this how the mind limits itself to life or death anyway?

B-friend | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 01:16
genep's picture

knowing

?How do we know we are alive to begin with? How do we know that this isn't the realm before life? If we are dead, what is life?
Besides that, if we don't know whether we are alive or dead, why bother with such concepts? Even the concepts of life and death are deep rooted conditionings of the mind are they not? What if another state exists besides life... "
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valid questions: the problem is the mind, thoughts, is asking questions that are thoughts – it is like words in a book asking questions about the other words in the book.
Quantum Physics tells us that there is the Quantum Gap, Now, and particles/thoughts (indeed the whole Universe) appear to come out of the quantum-gap/Now only to vanish back into it.

Particles are thus thoughts: the whole universe is ONE Mind – the totality of thoughts.
Exactly like Advaita, Quantum Physics leaves no doubt that the Universe is just thoughts, fiction.. There are no dimensions to thoughts.
Life might have the appearance that there are all sorts of different levels to life and death but they are also just thoughts: one big hallucination that APPEARS to have all sorts of different compartments – be they different dreams or lives.
the whole theory of Quantum Physics: particles CANNOT be connected ... nothing can connect one thought/particle to another, so there are no connections that can connect one life to another: all connections of thoughts, lives, souls are pure fiction: appearances.
Quantum Physics tells us with absolute certainty that not even God, a thought, can get between thoughts.

think about this long enough and when the light goes on all questions will vanish into the Darkness that makes light appear real: Samadhi, Self, Now.
really

genep | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 07:03
shishmanidov35's picture

Simple

It is simple. First define what you mean by "alive" and by "dead" and you right away will find the answer within these definitions or within the inability to define them.

shishmanidov35 | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 08:24
Gilana's picture

The only thing we can know

There is only one thing we can know for sure. That is: I am.

The rest can be enjoyed (debated) forever.

Gilana | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 07:55
shishmanidov35's picture

Meaning

What do you mean by knowing "I Am"? and what do you exactly mean by "knowing that for sure"?

Many people quote Nisargadatta Maharaj about that but when you ask them about the exact meaning they can never explain and answer the above two questions. See http://www.gurusfeet.com/forum/what-fuck-does-nisargadatta-mean-quot-i-a... for example.

shishmanidov35 | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 08:27
Gilana's picture

I Am

What I mean is that the thing, person, object, energy, non-entity, being (whatever "it" is...choose one of these, or choose your own) that is responding to you is "I". "Am" indicates existance.

I've never read Nisagadatta Maharaj, so it doens't come from him.

Gilana | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:05
genep's picture

I AM

to think that the thought "I AM" has more value than another thought, like "feces," is just the mind thinking it can think when both "mind" and "thinking" are also just thoughts.

when the Light goes on
that "I AM" is the same fiction as is "Mickey Mouse"
all questions vanish
into a gloating darkness (Self,Samadhi... Now)
that makes Light appear real.
-- REALLY

genep | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 16:27
Gilana's picture

Response

I don't assert the thought "I Am" has more value than any other thought. I just assert that it is the only thing you can "know" for sure.

"I AM" is only a fiction when the isolated self knows itself to mean "existance" and boundaries that were thought to contain it disolve.

Gilana | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 22:10