The Accident

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Most don't seem to care for the prescription "do nothing, just BE", and most don't care either for "do everything you can to get rid of the self", and so it becomes a personal path, created as one goes along.

Or, one is not on a path at all -- one is going nowhere. Which is actually the case for everyone.

One is merely tossed about on a sea of memory -- one's actions are dictated by 'past experience', all of it accidental.

Whether the memory overlay is very beautiful ("Bill Gates") or very ugly ("a wino sleeping on the street corner"), the issue is always the same -- the linkage formed between memory and reality.

And in all cases, there is an attempt to change the memory overlay called 'me', which is the attempt to have a position from which to do so, which is the attempt to keep the overlay.

The linkage between reality and memory appears accidentally, and this we term 'birth'. And dissolves accidentally, which we term 'death'. Whether the body dies or not is irrelevent.

The human being is an accidental link to the accidental.



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The human being is an accidental link

The human being is an accidental link...
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Nothing is accidental in this world,but due to some specific reasons.
To accept it as accidental,is not correct and comes from false projections only.
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madan_gautam | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 06:28
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The reasons...

The reasons themselves are accidental ;-).

Nisargadatta: "The known is accidental, the unknown is the home of the real."

Nisargadatta: "The image you have of yourself is made up from memories and is purely accidental."

Nisargadatta: "Destiny is the result of causes, mostly accidental, and is therefore loosely woven."

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 06:47
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Destiny is the result of causes

Destiny is the result of causes...
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when destiny is result of causes,then how happenings are accidental?
They are defined,but one has to know the art of witnessing only then the accumulation of destiny will cease further & accidents.
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madan_gautam | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 06:55
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Driving in circles

I don't think the volition regarding the path is the problem. These issues sort out by greater forces than the individual for his greater benefit. But for these issues to sort out, there must be an opening and here lies the main problem.

Many people come to the spiritual realm and yet unnoticeably preserve and maintain their past conditioning, their secular skepticism, their closure against anything metaphysical, against anything that does not adhere to their old logic.

They are usually not aware of that paradox and this is the great danger, they believe that they are within the spiritual domain but their conditioning and patterns of thinking remained the same as before.

They will usually adopt those spiritual traditions that seem to them to rely more on rationalism and logical deduction such as advaita and Budhism and based on their somehow incomplete understanding of these paths they will be quick to draw the same conclusions they drew in their secular period, negate the same paranormal stuff, this time just on the basis of their new "spiritual" ideas.

This stems of course from the clever tricky and atheist mind managing to preserve its control even in a "foreign" zone.

These are the people I almost exclusively see stuck over the years. These are usually men and more westerners than others.

Tania | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 07:01
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and yet unnoticeably preserve and maintain their past conditioni

and yet unnoticeably preserve and maintain their past conditioning, their secular skepticism, their closure against ..
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If one is with his/her own preconditioning even after following a path,then I think nothing has been taken benefit from the spirituality only waste of time and much more determining their preconditioning and nothing else.
One goes through all positive changes inside and outside only then true benefit of spirituality is there.
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madan_gautam | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 07:10
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I think we have to be

I think we have to be careful about the term 'accidental'. It is accidental in the sense that it is not 'on purpose' or planned or predestined, but not in the sense of random. There is an intelligence present and all movement arises within this same intelligence, and so it can be said that nothing is accidental.

Phroggy | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 08:51
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Every thing is destined

Every thing is destined ,this is my personal experience.
I had no. of times intuitions about near future happenings and the same happened so.
Then what would you say about it? Accident?
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madan_gautam | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 14:14
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Not accident. Creation

Not accident. Creation happens from the inside out. Creation and perception are the same. Manifestation, synchronicity, precognition, psychic visions, intuitions are all the perceiving of what is being created as it forms.

Following one of your intuitions regarding future happenings, have you ever wondered if 'you' intuited it or created it (manifested it)? They are, in fact, the same.

You are not perceiving some predetermined future, but rather pulling at the threads of the creation forming within your own mind.

It's not incorrect to say the future is 'destined' because there is nobody here to interfere with whatever will be, but there is nothing that knows what will be beyond these glimpses of where everything is already heading. I say that it is not "predestined" because this tends to imply one who had predetermined the destiny, and this is not so. You ARE that destiny unfolding in this moment.

Phroggy | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 22:02
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Predestined

Does earth not move in destined path,does human and others beings are not born in a destined pattern,do the other most of things not work in a slandered pattern,what ever so may be.
It is not that my thought made the happening so,but the future to be happened came to me as intuition.
I believe that there is difference in thought and intuition.
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madan_gautam | Thu, 09/24/2009 - 02:37
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What is a "destined path"?

What is a "destined path"? If you throw a ball in the air and it falls, was that it's destiny? Maybe it was the ball's karma that it must fall to Earth over and over?

Don't confuse predestiny with the functioning of scientific principles. Those principles are also creations but I don't want to confuse the issue further.

What stands outside of creation and guides it's course? You know there is not a God in the sky, so what is it?

Sorry, I don't know what a "slandered pattern" is.

"It is not that my thought made the happening so,but the future to be happened came to me as intuition."

Yes, i understand what intuition is. I'm saying that your intuition and thoughts originate in the same 'place' your experience of the world originates, the same place you originate from, and i mean right now. The monitor you're looking at is happening in Consciousness, not 'out there' on your desk. The perception is happening in your mind. If the perception of an event, and the intuition of an event, are both originating from Consciousness, there's no reason you can't know what is about to unfold in your experience since it's about to happen through your perception, but this doesn't imply predestiny or that what is to come has somehow been designed that way by something. That's all I'm saying.

However, again, i have no problem with the idea that what will be will be, because you and i cannot change the happening; we are the happening.

Phroggy | Thu, 09/24/2009 - 07:20
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What is a "destined path"?

What is a "destined path"? If you throw a ball in the air and it falls, was that it's destiny? Maybe it was the ball's karma that it must fall to Earth over and over?
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If I through a ball in sky then it is Karma and when it comes back it is destiny and defined.
The science has given a specific formula and language to it otherwise it was earlier also.
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Don't confuse predestiny with the functioning of scientific principles. Those principles are also creations but I don't want to confuse the issue further.
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There is no confusion anywhere,yes those scientific principles are also creations and are based on specific defined path.
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You know there is not a God in the sky, so what is it?
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It is every thing & its your convenience to name it anything or nothing/Essence,divinity or some thing else.
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Sorry, I don't know what a "slandered pattern" is.
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Sorry it was typing mistake as it is standard path.
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If the perception of an event, and the intuition of an event, are both originating from Consciousness,
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No, the thoughts comes from your conscious mind but intuitions come from super conscious mind.
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However, again, i have no problem with the idea that what will be will be, because you and i cannot change the happening; we are the happening.
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If you are able to change the happening at a certain level,even though you will not change it as it will disturb the whole defined path/the whole defined system.
One can only remain a witness,knowingly or unknowingly.
The whole play is to be witness knowingly not unknowingly.
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madan_gautam | Thu, 09/24/2009 - 15:16
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True...

No, I'm not implying randomness... there is a complete balance in the universe. But our particular life events are a matter of chance... who one is born to, what one encounters, etc. There is nothing "special" about "me", as a human being, nothing unique about my life story. Nobody stands out in a crowd.

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 14:21
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Agreed, I just wanted to be

Agreed, I just wanted to be clear because accidental has some implications for some that may not align with what you, or Niz, was saying. The thought occured that maybe 'accidental' wasn't the best translation of Niz's intention, but who knows?

Phroggy | Wed, 09/23/2009 - 22:08
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True...

True... Nis. used the word 'accidental' quite a bit himself, and got some objections (probably the same ones we may see here, or that folks may be thinking). The word may have a negative connotation, as in "a car accident". Ahh, well... :-p.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 09/24/2009 - 00:51