The true guru

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I have been searching and meeting few gurus, but I am always very concerned about their honesty and being genuine and true enlightened spiritual master. We read so many bad things about certain gurus and is difficult to trust. Any comment on Swami Vishwananada, Swami Atmachaithanya, Guruji Sri Vast and Sri Sathya Sai Baba ?

Thanks a lot for sharing

Ferro



banana's picture

a true guru

Hi kamaferro,

see A cheat sheet to recognize a bogus guru. There are valuable advices there.

Also you can look at the comments and opinions in the guru profiles.

Specifically, from your list I know only Sri Sathya Sai Baba and I'm not sure he passes the tests in the above mentioned cheat sheet :-)

banana | Sun, 08/10/2008 - 21:00
manisu's picture

Search and Go Astray and then only you will Find!

Hey,

Two things

1) A True Guru also need a True Disciple
2) Since bogus Gurus cannot help you get enlightened, at least your enlightenment is not at risk!. You may lose money and some fame and prestige all of which are to be lost any way if you are really into elightenment.

So, go out there, risk all and Go ASTRAY!. You will not loose anything "valuable" with FAKE GURUs

manisu | Mon, 10/25/2010 - 14:59
Gilana's picture

Amen

Still, my heart goes all of those who have trusted and been disappointed...not because of the betrayer, or even the betrayed.

Because it hurts. And love doesn't care why, it just gives succor.

So my love goes to you, all those who have been hurt. May you have learned (or learn) what to do if another trickster appears. May you give what is appropriate (a stern "no thanks"? a punch in the nose? a challenge?) but get only what is loving forevermore.

Gilana | Mon, 10/25/2010 - 20:56
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a true guru

Om Sai Master !

Paramatma Shirdi Sai Baba bless us all.

Dear Sri Kamaferro ! Pranam !

Are you still serching for a true guru or did your problem settled.

I am asking this because your post is dated back in 2008.

Dont worry I am not going to suggest a Guru.

I know there is a tradional way to find our Guru.

after seeing your reply I will write about it.

In Sai Master Smaram

sadananda maharshi

sadananda maharshi | Mon, 01/03/2011 - 17:28
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A true guru does not reveal

A true guru does not reveal to the people how he became a guru.

One who tries to tell you how to become spiritual is false - you must find the path yourself.

Walkers of falsehood will turn becoming a guru into a kind of, do-it-yourself path to transcendence! Be wary!

(For instance)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz2FDZB80Dg

Walkthepath | Tue, 01/17/2012 - 09:54
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Transcendence

There was a time in man's long history when 'transcendence' was the objective for the spiritual seeker hence the concept of the physical body being the 'prison house' of the soul. This accomplishment(transcendence) in no way brought freedom nor mastery of the laws of life.
All of those who did 'transcend' will have to return to fulfill the new requirement... "transformation"...the raising of the physical body into 'light' The result being true freedom from the cycle of rebirth. It would be advantageous for the chela to move on from the old paradigm to the updated software offered by the Ascended Masters.
Thanks.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 04:55
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A Real Guru

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

One simple solution... throw the wannabe gurus in the 'fire'! If they are real they will come out just like they went in.
Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Mon, 12/24/2012 - 07:55
Gilana's picture

Fire loves fire

A true guru is already burning. That is their attraction. Fire loves fire. My advice to all is stop arguing and discussing... Start burning. If you want to burn alone that is your right. But don't malign those who want to add or catch fire. They have rights too.

Gilana | Tue, 01/01/2013 - 18:09
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What if?

What if you don't actually need to find an enlightened master. What if it's just a cultural idea that you were conditioned into believing?

SriSriYogiBaba | Fri, 08/22/2008 - 20:14
mika's picture

and what if not

Since I cannot be sure of this, I will keep on being open to flesh-and-blood gurus.

I suspect there are some upfront advantages to such a guru - he/she can be an entity to identify and then counter my mind's tricks which I have no way to see, he/she can serve as an authority when I am skeptical as to what I "hear" from my inner guru, he/she might have experience that is valuable for me...

I have gained so much from Nisargadatta's and Ramana's and Meher Baba's books that if I stumble upon a book of a living guru with the same caliber I will make all effort to go and see him. But I haven't yet... and maybe I am belittling those who are alive (ego matters)...

Actually, many of the people here sometimes serve for me as virtual gurus... the discussions are usually enlightening and are free from the common new-age bullshits... I am sometimes pondering about some dilemma and then I enter here and boom... Someone happens to discuss the very same issue at the very same time and creative insights are provided...

mika | Fri, 08/22/2008 - 20:35
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When the student is ready.........

"Actually, many of the people here sometimes serve for me as virtual gurus... the discussions are usually enlightening and are free from the common new-age bullshits... I am sometimes pondering about some dilemma and then I enter here and boom... Someone happens to discuss the very same issue at the very same time and creative insights are provided..."

Yup. This is what is meant by 'When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.' This happens because your focus is a creative one, literally forming your experiences. I've been exploring the way you describe for years, and it has been very useful.

Phroggy | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 07:53
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It happens because...

"This happens because your focus is a creative one, literally forming your experiences."

It happens because there is neither me nor you in truth, but oneness, unity, co-arising of phenomena. The guru is looking for you, and you are looking (ready) for the guru. 'Inner' and 'outer' are really not-two.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 08:49
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Yes, and it's helpful to pay

Yes, and it's helpful to pay attention to this and notice it happening so that we don't keep dismissing where we are in search of the better place or a the right guru. We're always exactly where we need to be doing exactly what we need to be doing because there's nobody here to throw a monkey wrench into perfection, and no monkey wrench.

Phroggy | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 18:22
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Gurus

Thanks for all the great questions, comments and suggestionsby all of you. Remember one persons' medicine is anothers' poision.
From my perspective the only True Guru is YOU.
The Buddha says you have always been enlightened!
This is true for those which are projections of 'Source'; but not everyone is a projection of 'Source'.
There are many different forms of qualified matter outpicturing on this planet at this time. Some are 'souless' and some with 'souls' but no connection to 'Source'. Then there are those who are God Actualized; some for a very long time.

If I may ask you a question.?

Why do you allow your 'personality' (the outer you) to negate the Truth that "You Are the 'That' which "IS""? "IS" means 'Source' This is what the concept of "oneness" refers too. I know the reason but you must answer that question yourself. I will give you a hint... it has something to do with "LOVE".

Have you not experienced these divine words..."I AM"?

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala
23/12/2012
Thanks.

P.S.
Something for All to ponder:
The word 'individual' comes from the Latin root word 'indivisible' ... undivided, one and the same.
I AM, YOU ARE, SOURCE IS, is a fundamental Truth and anyone who negates this reap the rewards of their actions.
Why go outside when you are the Divine? Affirm "I AM" and see what takes place in your life.

Dr.DeLight | Sat, 12/22/2012 - 12:14
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Thanks!!!

Thank you for your comment!
Beautiful INSIGHT!!!

bonya basu | Sat, 12/22/2012 - 13:30
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Thanks

Thank you also.

Dr.DeLight | Sat, 12/22/2012 - 13:49
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Thanks!

Quite a dish of wisdom, DeLight, and thank you for them. They are words I often use especially since finding the definition of my name, Elijah, is ALMIGHTY GOD IS I AM THAT I AM. Just by using my name I have received a lots more than I usually got when praying to god. There is so much truth in your words, so, again I thank you.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 12/22/2012 - 22:07
Dr.DeLight's picture

Guru

Your own "I AM Presence" is your guru.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 04:58
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true guru

why are you much concerned about true and false guru.
if your search is really true then you will defiantly get a true guru or a true guru himself recognize you.
OM

madan_gautam | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 06:39
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Why I am concerned

I am concerned about a truer and honest guru because I met few and I always hear and read many negatives comments on the net. I can see that when they come to the West to attract devotees they have quite a good life when we know they come from humble beginnings.

I have the same concern as if I had to choose a teacher of Mathematic to clear my doubts, I will try to choose an experienced and reputable one. The spiritual growth is not easy so a honest, true realized soul should be the right choice.

My search I hope is a true one, what do you mean by true ? I open my heart and pray God to guide me to meet the right master. What else should I do or change in my behaviour ??

If I can rely as a guidance in a person with a pure heart and not in search of popularity just because he has siddhi powers.

Which living gurus would anyone recommend for your personal experience ?

I am frightened when I see gurus so famous and with big organization.

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

kamaferro | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 20:42
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Sounds like a plan

Hi Kamaferro
Assuming you're looking for a living guru, I heard enough of Ramesh Balsekar to have no doubts about him, though I'm not personally drawn to him. I have a preference for western teachers, and the less glitz and glamour, the better. Many gurus will tell you enlightenement is a very ordinary, simple thing, after all. Just our true nature beyond all the nonsense.

In the west, I like Mooji best of all because of his directness, simplicity and humor. Adyashanti is also very cool, and Tony Parsons and Jeff Foster are amusing after a few cups of coffee. I could mention a few others I have faith in, but my coffee isn't strong enough to allow me to listen to em. None of them are out to scam you and they all see the same thing from the same mountaintop and have their own ways of talking about what they see. Simple, obvious, direct pointing without any side trips.

Phroggy | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 21:56
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Not only living, but...

In my view, it doesn't matter if a guru is living or not, unless you're going to have living contact with him/her. Isn't it the 'personal' attention that counts? Otherwise you're just reading words, watching videos, enjoying vicariously the talks with others. Is this really what 'having a guru' is about?

I call Nisargadatta my guru, because his words have been incredibly helpful here (and I was always very self-oriented, self-directed on the spiritual path). But I think most would want the living attention, some pointings tailored to one's specific situation.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 09/07/2008 - 23:47
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Thsnks. Gurus not alive

Thsnks. Gurus not alive there are many who are great ones, but I feel in my humble opinion that a living one could help you better, communicating with a saint is much more beneficial.

Ciao

kamaferro | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 12:43
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Thanks fo reply. I don't

Thanks fo reply. I don't know whay but I am more attracted to Indian/Oriental gurus, maybe because of my long years spent in Asia. My ex wife is Indian, so my kids. Nothing againsta westeners, but they miss something, they don't have that oriental culture and depth.

I agree that simpler a guru is the better attracts me, I am scared of big organizations and behaviour like movie stars. Do you know any other Indian guru who has simplicity and guide you in your path ?

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

kamaferro | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 12:42
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i agree with you

most of the western gurus I have encountered turned to be a disappointment (there were exceptions though such as Eckhart Tolle and Shlomo Kalo).

On the other hand, there are also many Indian gurus that are not genuine but as there are so many there are also splendid ones and I also prefer those to the westerners.

I think basically it is the different basic conditionings of the eastern ones which are more of trust, belief and the heart by default while the basic conditionings of the western ones are more of skepticism and intellectual analysis.

And maybe it is because I'm superwoman and as such I am very picky... seriously, maybe it's us: there is a saying in the bible that goes something like "there can be no prophet in his hometown"...

superwoman | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 17:22
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No problem for SW

Seems like superwoman should be able to find the best guru. Hehe. Don't you have a magic lasso or something for getting to the truth? :)~

Phroggy | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 17:44
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Identity Crisis

You are WonderWoman, don't you remember the seventies?

SriSriYogiBaba | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 17:49
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My Self is superwoman, my

My Self is superwoman, my "I" is wonderwoman.

superwoman | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 18:17
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Wonder "I"

Exactly. So it wouldn't be superwoman who is picky, would it?

SriSriYogiBaba | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 18:43
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Don't be silly...

Your Self isn't male or female ;-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Mon, 09/08/2008 - 19:03
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HI SW, can you share if you

HI SW, can you share if you have met so far a reliable guru from the East ?ùù

Ciao

kamaferro | Tue, 09/09/2008 - 13:34
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Reliable gurus from the east

Of course a judgment whether a certain guru is reliable or not is subjective.

Thinking about it now, this is a very good question - there is only one I can say I'm confident about his reliability: Nisargadatta Maharaj - although i didn't meet him physically, it feels like i did.

superwoman | Tue, 09/09/2008 - 14:38
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GURU

People are just curious only at the surface to find a GURU,but unfortunately there is no thirst in their souls for that.To find a GURU is not a childish play, one has to bet each and every thing to get HIM.In this jet age people wants a GURU like a computer, handy to them.To find a GURU you need a deep search and soul shattering desire.If you are genuine by heart,then lets see why you are not able to meet your GURU.GURU is always available but not disciple/truth seeker.
Do not search for GURU search for you disciple hood and you will find GURU in front of you.
OM

madan_gautam | Thu, 03/12/2009 - 17:33
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Mooji

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala('fire' mountain).
I invite you to a friend's blog.
http://chi-ting.blogspot.in/
Mooji and others are there. Just do a search or look on the right side of the page.
There will never be 'dollars' involved with any sincere messenger.
Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 05:10
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My Favourites

Hi Kamferro i would definitely not go for a guru who is in controversies or believes in showoff.I personally like Eckhardt Tolle very much.I have read his books and watched his lectures and felt the way i never felt with any other guru .But then i know him only from his books and videos and cant give most accurate judgement.
Swami Ramdev is another one i like.But he is a yogi and i guess his way is different than others i.e. yoga. Anyway good luck and when u find one please share it with me.Cheers

leo75 | Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:20
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My Favourites

Hi Kamferro i would definitely not go for a guru who is in controversies or believes in showoff.I personally like Eckhardt Tolle very much.I have read his books and watched his lectures and felt the way i never felt with any other guru .But then i know him only from his books and videos and cant give most accurate judgement.
Swami Ramdev is another one i like.But he is a yogi and i guess his way is different than others i.e. yoga. Anyway good luck and when u find one please share it with me.Cheers

leo75 | Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:20
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My Favorite

Hi Leo,

Any true guru will be in controversial because all of what he or she says (transmits) is not what most people believe. Even Eckhart, whom I love, will be controvercial -- if he ever helps YOU, personally.

Every guru is beautiful, when he or she is talking to the "crowd." Every guru is a monster when he or she talks to you, directly. Because he or she will point out where you really are, the blockages, the blindness, the laziness, etc..which keeps you from the truth of what you really are and will become aware of.

As far as "show-off," I would be wary of labeling gurus. I've found they will do ANYTHING to bring to your attention what you need to see. In the end, if they are real, they are nothing...just a useless, commonplace, dime store mirror. It's all in what you see.

As far as judging whether or not a guru is for you, you can only go by the way you feel as a result of their presence. Because, it's only love that makes you go further on this almost impossible path - that is the only use of devotion.

Gilana | Mon, 11/29/2010 - 16:35
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True Guru

Hi Gilana,
After summing up our discussion here, in my opinion True Guru is one who is not after your money or attention.A true guru is one who believes and practices what he tells to masses, can understand you and show you the right way so that you find what you need.But no matter how good the guru is he still works just as a catalyst.He can just show you the way and its you who have to follow the path and find out what you need.

leo75 | Tue, 11/30/2010 - 02:54
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Path

Thanks for you remarks and your mostly correct perceptions but one needs to realize there is no 'path' The truth is YOU ARE... always have been and always will be. A true friend(guru) can only help you to REMEMBER.
Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 05:21
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how to know who is a true

how to know who is a true guru

ashishx | Thu, 10/29/2009 - 14:23
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How to know who is true

Guru means a person who leads the student from the darkness of ignorance to light of knowledge if generally spoken. when a child goes to school his guru is the teacher-in-charge of his class who teaches him how to write, speak and read.

NIDHI PARKASH | Thu, 10/29/2009 - 15:56
genep's picture

Fake Gurus

I suffer from prolonged periods of horrible sanity.

"Any guru who has to be found
is a fake
Any guru/god/expert who sells himself
with wisdom, miracles, rote and ritual, tricks and talk
is a fake.
The real Guru cannot be found.
Exactly like Kundalini, Shakti... Samadhi
the real Guru comes and gets the Seeker
at the perfectly unpredictable time
to be Obvious
ONLY to HIS seeker – and THUS transforms the seeker into his Guru." -- O'no

gp

genep | Thu, 03/12/2009 - 16:34
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Prepare urself and the Guru will find you...

As per all the scriptures and all the great masters......You cannot find a Guru, Guru can only find you..
What's there in ur hand is to prepare urself and make urself worthy and sincere enough to receive the grace of God as well as the Guru....
though God is one yet he is everywhere, in everyone of us.......we just need to remove the dust, make ourselves purified enough to recognize our true identity....
Instead of worrying about finding a guru, we must focus on our purification, here purification refers to out thoughts our intentions........
Few of us may not have Guru, in a physical form, but everyone one of us have our guiding masters and our guiding angels, they keep guiding us in the best possible way......
We can acknowledge their presence and their grace only when we are purified enough to see the subtle divine love and care that is always being showered on us.........

Best Regards

archana.anchal | Fri, 03/13/2009 - 04:32
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Purification

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala

All truthful comments Sir. Master Buddhism and your 'purification' will be complete.
"Your guiding master" is ones' 'Higher Self', the Christ Self the 'Sun/Son' of God. The I AM Presence projects the Christ Principal into manifestation so we can go to it for assistance.
Thanks

P.S.
Only an 'enlightened person' can recognize an 'enlightened person'.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 06:07
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Leave Christ and I am aside,

Leave Christ and I am aside, and even Arunachala has no real significance. It's time to go beyond all these concepts.

P.S. I'm not sure you completely understand the notion of I Am. Have you ever tried Ayahuasca or any other aid to give you a non-verbal direct taste of I Am?

enlight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 07:37
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Ayahuasca

If I may respond.
Do I glean some 'fear' in your comment?
My friend I am open to any and everything(mantras, yantras, yoga and for certain the elemental kingdom(Divine Alchemy) to assist in connecting and expanding my Presence through ALL dimensions of the 'manifest' and 'unmanifest' realities/illusions. Has your consciousness experience the Unmanifest Realm as spoken of in the Upanishads?
For those who doubt my Presence I always invite them to my bonfire asking them to enter with me.
Test by 'fire' is the only true test my friend. "Come on down to the front line" sang Brother Bob Marley.

You stated "It's time to go beyond all these concepts."

Yes! this is true for you and me so this will be my last intercourse with you through 'concepts'.

But there are those who can benefit from 'concepts' that being the reason I AM is here. For eternity I have spoken with you without concepts. Did you receive those communications?
What to do?...What to do? It seems I AM damned in your eyes for using and not using 'concepts'.
Don't ever say you were not given a chance.... Jesus said "if you have eyes and ears to see and hear...."!
Thanks
P.S.
Oh by the way Mt. Arunachala means nothing more to me than any other Vortexes which are projections of the I AM.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 09:25
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Thanks!

Well said!
Much meaningful!!
Thanks for all the views you shared!!

bonya basu | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 07:53
Gilana's picture

Compassion

My guru is the real thing. I know because I've done what he's told me to and I've changed in ways I could not have imagined. I'm not sure what you are concerned with, but here's a synopsis.

He's not what you would expect; he doesn't wear robes, he's blunt, down-to-earth and he does not care how you respond to him. He may not say what you would like to hear or he might. The only way I would recommend him is with the warning that if you are too frail for truth, if your thoughts, emotions, or comfort are more important than reality then stay away. If you want a real live realized and enlighted spiritual master to look directly at you and tell you the truth, he's the guy.

I'm sorry, I don't know anything about Swami Vishwananada, Swami Atmachaithanya, Guruji Sri Vast and Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

Please take into account that I am a disciple and therefore completely biased. However, what is not affected by that bias is what I have gained in his presence. It's astounding.

Gilana | Sat, 03/14/2009 - 04:14
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don't throw the responsibility...

Remember it: if you can't recognize enlightened people when you come across them, don't throw the responsibility on them. Watch inside -- are you ready yet? It has happened that people who were not enlightened have sometimes helped people to become enlightened. If the desire of the seeker is tremendous, then even an unenlightened Master is enough.

Neeravo | Thu, 04/02/2009 - 04:38
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In the ultimate reckoning no

In the ultimate reckoning no effort is ever wasted, all efforts contribute to the ultimate climax of your growth. So don't be hesitant, don't be worried too much about going wrong. That is one of the problems; people have been taught never to do anything wrong, and then they become so hesitant, so fearful, so frightened of doing wrong, that they become stuck. They cannot move, something wrong may happen. So they become like rocks, they lose all movement.

I teach you: Commit as many mistakes as possible, remembering only one thing: don't commit the same mistake again. And you will be growing. It is part of your freedom to go astray, it is part of your dignity to go even against God. And it is sometimes beautiful to go even against God. This is how you will start having a spine; otherwise there are millions of people, spineless.

- OSHO

Neeravo | Thu, 04/02/2009 - 04:42
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no one is true furu!

in mahabharatha war all gurus or teachers lived in opposite flank and so called cowardly saw the suffering of pandavas...

now only arjuna is in pain...

cursed are the teacjhers whop live happily at the expensae of students...

ramakrishna let swami vivekananda go foreign here teachers so called go foreign and leave those from whom they got blessed to pain...

who knows jesus might have cured the false teachers curses of leaprosy as he did healing ministry...

atleast til;l now its one way traggic of sufferiong aginst sinful teachers and men in power helplessly...

with due respect to good teacjers who lived as exammple..

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Wed, 06/24/2009 - 13:58
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Searching a True Guru !

Om Lokah: Samastah: Sukhino Bhavantu
Guru is the personification or manifestatiion of your inner soul. Guru geeta says that Guru is Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswara and Parabrahma. Before surrendering to a person thinking that he is your guru, you have to be prepared for that. Your search for guru should be sincere and intense. In such case the universal power will come infront of you as your Guru. Once you are in the presence of your guru there will not be any doubt about this Guru because that person whom you are seeing is your soul only. There will be only love...unconditinal love. However thete will be a lot of tests and experiences in seeking God. These are just cleansing away the ego. But one should test the Guru also befoe surrendering . this is difficult since a true Guru is a realised soul and beyond mind and intellect. But Bhagavad Geeta says a lot about a person who is realised. A "Stita Prajna". If you find all these qualities in a person then that person is a realised soul. You can go to him for seeking god.

gopalakrishnan | Sun, 06/28/2009 - 11:16
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TRUE GURU

As soon as you fulfill the true qualities of diciple,you will find TRUE GURU.You don't have to find GURU.Guru in search of TRUE DICIPLE.Guru gives knowledge to his diciple,provided diciple has the capacity to receive it.
Don't see negative things, be positive by mind.As soon as you are positve,all positive vibration will strat coming to you.To cleanse your mind read some good stuff.
Be optimistic.Have a deep desire for TRUTH.

With all my best wishes.

bonya basu | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 11:52
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Thanks for reply.

Thanks for reply. Unfortunately and you know being in India there many gurus can be fake, we had a bad experience with one famous in the West and then accused by own swamis and bramacharis of having sex with them etc. Is not easy at times to find a true and honest guru. If you search the web many gurus have been criticized, maybe some could be rubbish but where lies the truth ? I don't want to end up being caught up in something which will not help my growth. Maybe I am too cautious but in this world as I said there are many fake ones. People are more attracted by siddhi powers of gurus I met, are they really enlightened ? Which is a good reading you recommend as you mentioned this and a good meditation technique

Thanks and ciao

Ferro

kamaferro | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 13:39
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Just surrender

Namaste
Just surrender and leave the doubts only after that you will be able to find your Guru.
What is definition by you for enlightenment?
Can you judge the Enlightenment of a Guru?
If yes then you might have not in search of Guru .If no then leave all these things and accept any one according to your nature/liking or stop searching as if Guru is destined in your this life then He will come defiantly.
OM

madan_gautam | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 15:04
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Namaste Madam-Gautam, thanks

Namaste

Madam-Gautam, thanks reply. For me a Guru must be honest and pure, enlightenment is that he or she has reacher a certain level of self realization being like a saint. We had many saints in Italy where I live, those for me where realized souls, not in search of publicity, commercial and marketing. Just simplicity with deep knowledge of life. A person you can trust, with big heart and compassion. Even without siddhi powers like many gurus have and attarct people in the West. I have met simple Indian people, I looked in their eyes and for me I saw love, they are special to me. They touched something inside, this is what a true guru should be. Of course we have to surrender. Searching and understanding is part of the growing process. My kids always tell me God is your guru. But I feel would be intetesting and fulfilling meeting and learning from a realized soul/saint.

Thanks

Ferro

kamaferro | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 15:30
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You are true, getting a real

You are true, getting a real guru is quite difficult. But, dont stop searching, one day you will find your waY.

khbbind

Mastercvvyoga | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 08:34
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we think something, but we

we think something, but we have to get the link. That link is most important in spirituality. You have to wait till that link gets u.
khbbind

Mastercvvyoga | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 08:41
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true guru

true guru is the one who is a realised soul, he never speaks or boasts of his experiences, but makes the disciple experience.
when a disciple is ready to understand the reality the true guru appears.
on your head between the pineal gland and the crown chakra above the head, there is a guru chakra, kindly activate this by meditation, kindly pray that guru please appear in your physical form and guide me.
guru is already present in everybody, but only if you cry the mother comes running.
once you are really looking for true master, he will come, do not give importance to his form, just visualise his feet and bow your head, true guru will manifest.

madhu | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 06:53
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Manifestation of a Guru

I liked what you said in Your following words:

"on your head between the pineal gland and the crown chakra above the head, there is a guru chakra, kindly activate this by meditation, kindly pray that guru please appear in your physical form and guide me."

A Guru is God's Mercy on the seeker. Also, a Guru is a lot more than just a projection of our chakras; he is a special program displaying and exposing universal truth - leading and linking us to God.

A Guru is our inner truth and reflection.

AzeemiSoul

Azeemi | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 08:40
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Perfect definition......

"A GURU is our INNER TRUTH and REFLECTION" it is a perfect definition.

bonya basu | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 18:00
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A Special Program

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

This insight
"he is a special program displaying and exposing universal truth - leading and linking us to God".
In some literature the 'program' is also know as the Christ or Khrisna Principal. Remember Jesus was a man who anchored this principal on earth(for the west) and Khrisna likewise for the east. It is a Self-luminous, intelligent substance projected by the I AM Presence to serves as stated above... a 'step down transformer' between the 'I AM' and the outer 'i am'(you). It is through the above principal we enter into the realm of 'white light'/I AM Presence ... otherwise 'i am' would be reabsorbed by one's Presence. When Jesus stated you must pass through me to get to the father he meant each individual on their return to father (Source) must pass through this Principal... not through the man. A Principal is a Principal(a fundamental truth) not a religion or a philosophy.
Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 08:22
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true guru

true guru is the one who is a realised soul, he never speaks or boasts of his experiences, but makes the disciple experience.
when a disciple is ready to understand the reality the true guru appears.
on your head between the pineal gland and the crown chakra above the head, there is a guru chakra, kindly activate this by meditation, kindly pray that guru please appear in your physical form and guide me.
guru is already present in everybody, but only if you cry the mother comes running.
once you are really looking for true master, he will come, do not give importance to his form, just visualise his feet and bow your head, true guru will manifest.

madhu | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 06:54
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"Namaste Madam-Gautam, thanks"

"Namaste Madam-Gautam, thanks",
Ha ha ha ha................,
Thank U, Madam-kamaferro.

jasdir singh jaura | Fri, 09/17/2010 - 05:05
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Surrender

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

Surrendering is 'bullshit'. What must be done is simply 'letting go' of your masochistic belief that 'you are not'. Comptemplation of one's true self (I AM) will bring enlightment.

Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 06:43
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Surrender is the only game

Not only that surrender is not bullshit, surrender is the name of the game, it is the only game actually.

I see that you are very excited about the I am, true self, enlightenment and so on, and that is excellent. But at some point you will have to transcend even these and go beyond. Then you will discover the truth of surrender.

enlight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 07:34
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Surrender

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

Thanks for the opportunity to expand on this concept. I knew you would not honor my request for 'no further communication'. I DO know what you are saying and for the lesser developed this concept can be useful in bring the 'personality'(the outer) into alignment, but what you seem not to grasp is when you have that existential experience that you 'Are' the 'That' which "Is" you realize/experience there was never anything or anybody to surrender too. I know if you had experienced that 'white light'/your I AM Presence you would not respond in the way you have.
'Surrender' is really a concept created by the 'dark force' to keep you bound in the world of dualism. It seems you continue to reject the I AM Principal as a Truth hence you remain in a dualistic relationship between Self and 'Source'. In other words 'separated and unenlightened' to the "ISNESS" of 'Source' By the way 'Source' does not mean two. I AM is 'Source'.

With that being said and with your desire to utilize an old 'tool' which you call 'surrender' I ask you to surrender "ALL" your concepts and beliefs including the concept of 'surrender' to the I AM Presence and transform you outer being into 'light'. Do you have enough 'love' for your "Self" to do that?

Thanks

P.S.

To other participants:

Now as I stated to this person in my previous comment I did not wish to communicate with him/her any longer so be AWARE if this person continues to respond to my comments I will not respond further. This person's motivation lacks "LOVE". It is simple if you do not like what I say then move on; don't respond. You have stated your 'understanding' or lack thereof concerning your 'attachment' to this concept of 'surrender'

LOVE is the LAW

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 10:47
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Guru I met

One thing I would like to share with you as it is my personal experience.In my deeper mind,I was also in search of a GURU,the way you are searching,it is the story of 10 years back,when I used to look at the followers of different GURUS,I was not satisfied as they were not so transformed by their behaviour.So it was my sincere wish to find the "TRUE GURU who will transform my MIND.But I was not feverish for that.Ultimately one day while I was on the way from office to my home I saw one poster pasted on a wall.Poster attracted me but I could not read his name.At that time his name was not so popular or probably I was not aware of that personality.After two days I went their to know about the personality,I could not find the poster.After passing two or three years,picture of that poster vanishes from my mind.One day all of a sudden one person (family friend)came to me ask me to join 6 days course for self Empowerment,At that same moment I don't know what happen to me,without thinking any thing I just filled up the form.Afterward I realised master is "Shri Shri RAvi Shankar,ART OF LIVING",whose poster attracted me two years back.That is the turning point of my life.He opens the INNER EYE,"GYANA CHAKSHU".My thoughts are fully transformed.I am in this site just because of his grace.My master's eyes are mystic, his smile is like child.

If you want to see some of his audio visual CDs.One which is very much knowledgeable is "ASHTAAKRA GEETA" he has explained in his own way.

You want other stuff to read can be "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" and "DEVINE ROMANCE" by Paramhans Yogananda.

"POWER OF NOW" by Eckhart Tolle,is a magical book for me.

These books awakens my inner TRUTH.

I LOVE ALL SOLES OF THIS SITE.

LOVE TO ALL.

OM...........om............om............Jai Gurudev

bonya basu | Mon, 08/17/2009 - 10:52
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thanks so much for sharing.

thanks so much for sharing. Ravi Shankar is not my type of guru, seen him when I lived in Asia, attended Art of Living courses with my kids, not our cup of tea.
Will see if is my karma to have a simple guru in this life.

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

kamaferro | Mon, 08/17/2009 - 16:20
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Guru seeking

the limitations you put on a guru
will prevent you from realizing him/her/it.

Everything is the Guru, Self --
out of this everything
the one thing, person, ... pervert or psychopath
that points to the real guru inside
will be your true Guru.

Really, REALLY

genep | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 17:13
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Yes indeedy. Truth is

Yes indeedy. Truth is wherever you look because it is Truth that is looking. It is much too simple, though, and much more fun to go guru chasing.

Phroggy | Thu, 08/13/2009 - 21:34
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Yes indeedy. Truth is wherever you look because it is Truth that

Yes indeedy. Truth is wherever you look because it is Truth that is looking------
But not with these worldly eyes .
one has to open divine eyes to see the reality of this world.
no, one has to open the heart and close the analytical mind .
OM

madan_gautam | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 12:13
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honest and genuine gurus

You are true at heart if you are seeking honesty,purity, enlightenment etc. with so many qualities personified as guru but you have not yet found out someone according to your liking.Suppose, if you desire to study physics or mathematics etc. then what will be your way.Of course you will get admission in a reputed institute or university for the fulfillment of the chosen aim.During the studies certainly your attention will on the subject learning wherein subject will be primary and teacher will be of secondary importance.
now these persons, to whom you are addressing as gurus on Indian classical pattern, are actually the professionals of their subjects as religions,philosophy etc. just like your teachers of physics and mathematics and also their characters are not better than those of your university/school teachers.Someone in the lack of proper employment,others as culprits etc. to hide their identity etc. have chosen this path for the fulfillment of their own private purpose.they are neither true gurus nor god/soul seekers.
A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS THING.Please don't seek your purity,honesty etc. in the form of guru out of yourself but these seeds of purity,honesty,spirituality are already lying in dormant state in your heart-----as also having been spoken by swami vivekananda that each soul is potentially divine.To get the manifestation of this seed is purpose of our human-life.please see manifestation of divinity or subject study is the most important; hence specially in your case guru-outer is not needful,nor necessary but guru-inner is very private faith of yourself.
YOU ARE GURU OF YOURSELF.Teachers-outer along-with universities/schools are needful to you for deep,comparative and critical studies of religions,philosophies,cultures and psychologies etc. in order to harmonize the whole human consciousness which is the culmination of godhead and also it is called our absolute existence,absolute knowledge,absolute bliss and modern sciences are its testimony,explanations at ephemeral surface.
WHY SO SAID TO YOU ONLY.It seems, as per your nature seen through this site,you must be follower of gyaan yoga(method of soul-realization,god-realization through knowledge),which is followed by rare-ones as maharshi dayananda,aadiguru shankaraacharya etc.

NIDHI PARKASH | Sat, 08/15/2009 - 16:35
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thanks for your reply. I am

thanks for your reply. I am not a follower of gyaan yoga. I am very cautious with gurus because of past experience with a famous guru in Europe with siddhi powers who then was accused by same Swamis and bramacharis to have sex with them and all his organization collapsed. That is really traumatizing. How can you trust nowadays. I just search and see if I cn find a teacher/guru who enghlitens you and brings to the right path. When I see so much marketing, money etc, I get worried. Organizations like Brama Kumaris in India are accused by former followers of cult and many other horrible things. I hope that India can still produce pure souls like Ramakrishna.

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

kamaferro | Mon, 08/17/2009 - 16:30
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GREAT MASTER ASHTAVAKRA

Dear kamaferro,
You are in search of GURU,but you are afraid of gurus.You are searching with some perticular qualities.First of all you have to fulfill those qualities within you,GURU will identify you.
These are the sripture from ASHTAVAKRA GEETA.

There are three principles or qualities for a true seeker on the spiritual path.When you eat or drink something the system should be assimilate,otherwise one can not eat or drink.Similarly to receive and assimilate BRAHMA GYAN(the ultimate knoledge)we need some dicipline.
1) Dicipline in BODY means to listen to your body and not to your fantasies.One who has reverence for life should have dicipline in body.Do some exercise everyday;keep your body clean.
2)Dicipline in SPEACH,one should practice saying such words,which does not raise turmoil in others.DO not speak harsh words because Divine lives in every heart.Speech is to be cultured.
3)Dicipline of MIND,means culturing the mind by regular meditation.

A devotee should feel respect and nearness(love)both for GURU.When there is distance,no love or communication can take place.AHTAVAKRA(guru or master)was received by JANAKA(king or seeker)at his Royal Palace with full respect and dearness.

GURU offers his knowledege to whom?Who fulfills these qualities.

FORGIVENESS; Forgive yourself and others.Free yourself from the past by forgiving.Practice forgiveness right now.

SINCERITY; Be sincere about your commitments.Sincerity is also accepting your faults and not giving excuses.

COMPASSION; Do not be too hard to anyone,neither on others nor on yourself.Have compassion towards everybody.It is your true nature.

CONTENTMENT; Contentment is the mother of CREATIVITY.Do not have feverishness.Noncotentment can lead to frustration and frutrated person can not be creative.

TRUTH; Truth is what is right now."Everything is changing"is the truth.
These five principles are like NECTAR of life.

"Jai GURUDEV"

You have to do little homework,to meet your GURU.

With all my good wishes.

bonya basu | Tue, 08/18/2009 - 08:44
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Thanks Bonya, iS really very

Thanks Bonya, iS really very true what you say. But as I explained what happened with the guru we met was a trauma for all, so is very normal to be cautious and use discrimination. We open our heart and make changes and by sure things will happen, I know but at times we forget. ON NAMAH SHIVAYA

kamaferro | Wed, 08/19/2009 - 15:44
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Seeking a Guru?

Why because you wish him to guide you through this world of Maya, Mithya to true Nirvana.
Lol
And you hold on to this Maya; no way.

Meet a living Guru? from experience it is very pleasant.
Seek a Guru with caution, I can assure you can never be pleasant.

I have known my Guru ji since I was a child; It is truly His blessings if he chooses to call me his follower.

It is true, when you look into a general Indians eyes you see love, oneness because it is his faith in God that you truly see.I have seen this in people from the west too.

Ever considered why? Because they are close to God.

So if you can open your mind and wish away this Maya for even a second you may find your Guru.

I can only suggest My Guru for his purity and closeness to whom we thirst and seek.Only we have to forget this material world.

Jai K Garg | Sun, 08/23/2009 - 06:30
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Contentment

Dear Sir
I must disagree with the following statements as stated by ASHTAVAKRA. Everything else in your comment is correct.
If I may explain.
"CONTENTMENT; Contentment is the mother of CREATIVITY.Do not have feverishness.Noncotentment can lead to frustration and frutrated person can not be creative."
'Contentment' by definition implies just the opposite of 'action'/'creativity'. It leads to 'stagnation'. It is indicative of those people who are satisfied with their beliefs or circumstances. In this ever expanding world we should never be satisfied or content to remain in any particular state of consciousness. You will simply be left behind.
Non-contentment fuels my 'fires' to know and experience more. I could say more but I think I have made my point.
"Discipline in SPEACH,one should practice saying such words,which does not raise turmoil in others.DO not speak harsh words because Divine lives in every heart.Speech is to be cultured."
'Discipline' period ....either in speech or body is essential but as an 'aghori' I say "do anything you need to do to 'pop' as many bubbles as possible", just do it in a loving way even if one has to use harsh words or do bazaar things to help the person/s to FREE their Selves.
Now I am going to comment on the following comment by ASHTAVAKRA which will probably bring many 'sticks and stone' hurling into my space.
I quote:
"DO not speak harsh words because Divine lives in every heart".
I simply can not fathom why this person has made such an absurd comment. Did he not read the Mahabharta, Ramayana, Srimad Bhagavatam(an even more highly and respected text than the Geeta)? The Srimad Baghavatam goes into great detail explaining the various entities inhabiting this planet then and now.
My friends most beings on this planet are 'soulless or have a 'soul' but no connection with 'Source' since the connection has been severed by their own choice.(The black magicians). Do you people really think the horrors we see in the outer and inner worlds are created by 'soulfilled' beings connect to 'Source'? There is so much information available to support my position on this point.
Thanks.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 12:59
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Search of Guru

If a disciple is in capacity of choosing a Guru then he him self is GURU,then no need to choose a Guru.
Disbelief and so many questions and reasonings can never lead a disciple/seeker to a GURU,then that so called disciple/seeker is not even disciple/seeker.
OM

madan_gautam | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:09
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Lol..choose a Guru..

...Aklave choose his Guru; the Guru never accepted him as a disciple.
Did the Guru have a right to take his thumb as guru dakshina?

This happened before Kaliyug.

It is truly Gods will that lead us to our Guru.
A true disciple never professes this relation as it is beyond human understanding (only his Guru's blessings bestowed on him this right).

Jai K Garg | Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:31
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By physically we may speak

By physically we may speak about a Guru, Good or Bad. But in reality it is the link to get to meet a real Guru. If any body disturbed with the false Gurus , there may be certain action happened before, i.e., in previous births. What we are living present is the BLUE PRINT of our past births. The reactions in this birth due to the actions of our past.
khbbind

Mastercvvyoga | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 06:12
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Do we really need a Guru or to be enlightened ?

I was just wondering, do we really need a guru or to search for enlightenment. Just having a good conduct in life, be honest and good values is not enough ? Mother Theresa was enlightened ? She never had a guru and she was really a saint. Is a very vast topic. By sure in this current time we have to be careful about false people acting as gurus or similar. A person in this forum wrote to me: I have been to India and believe me, for every one good yogi/gifted spiritual person, you have 10,000 charlatans and crooks. It is a land of conmen and many superstitions in spite of its powerful spiritual heritage.

Love and lighty

kamaferro | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 15:01
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Do we really need a Guru or to be enlightened ?

Namaste
Its up to you.
It is personal choice to have a Guru or not or to be Enlightened or not.
But yes with lots of doubts one can not find Him even in hundred or more lives.
A seeker is not scientist who first search things with evidences and then only agree,but a true seeker must full of faith and then only he can realize.
To be a true seeker is most adventurous and daring and a reasoning and full of doubt mind can never be a seeker but the weakest one in spiritual path.

OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 15:16
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at a time no need of guru to you

still there are many genuine spiritual guides and gurus in true sense available but there are many seekers to whom no guru available according to their attitude being developed on the basis of karamas of previous lives/births;hence it is better to you to drop the idea of accepting someone as guru.

NIDHI PARKASH | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 15:53
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GURU

The Guru is God Himself manifesting in a personal form to guide the aspirant. Grace of God takes the form of the Guru. To see the Guru is to see God. The Guru is united with God. He inspires devotion in others. His presence purifies all.

The Guru is verily a link between the individual and the immortal. He is a being who has raised himself from this into That, and thus has free and unhampered access into both the realms. He stands, as it were, upon the threshold of immortality; and, bending down he raises the struggling individuals with his one hand, and with the other lifts them up into the empyrean of everlasting joy and infinite Truth-Consciousness.
OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 17:16
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It is human nature to doubt...

...history and scriptures are full about such doubting.

So if God did come to you directly, you will think why me.

If you are not willing to trust and risk you will not even taste food; for it could be poisoned.
You are a part of the indestructible energy;
Both your Guru and your enlightenment reside within you.
Look inward to your SELF and you will become one with them.

May God be with you.

Jai K Garg | Thu, 08/27/2009 - 06:18
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hiiiiii

hiii how r u...
i think its important to have a guru in life as a source of strength and motivation...so that u can faith in the way he has shown you but thats all ..we cant rely on our guru to learn averytrhing....each one of us has a different perception and experiences of life..so policy should be of continuing the search on our own and efforts with the motivation of our gurus....i think we ourselves r true gurus of ourselves...
for example i never thought of a guru but i can say that writer paulo cohelo is the one who motivates me for my search .but i always listen to everyone and test those things in life and then except them....
i will say that life is the biggest teacher but to wait for a teacher whole life so that when he comes then only u will start ur journey is an excuse....u r lucky if u have a guru...things may becme easier but it is the same way as they say that educatin ruined me ,i was born intelligent...so harder but correct way is to learn things yourself...
ofcourse it asks for a grat strength but u have the motivation of ur guru for that...
think about it and u will find the answer...im just 20 years old but this is what i have come to know after thinkink a lot...
even if he is there u need not to search for him/her...he will come to u when god will wish...all says the same things..so follow them and u will be happy
i think it can be a good discussio soplz tell what u think abut it

SUMIT604 | Thu, 11/26/2009 - 07:46
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The guru is not for learning but for full surrender

I think you completely misunderstood the essence of a guru and I suspect your view is based on disbelief of the paranormal and metaphisical - a true guru knows what's going on within you, mainly things that you yourself are not aware of. To learn you can use books and learned people, they do not need to be realized, the guru is there mainly and maybe only to rely on completely, to surrender yourself completely to him out of absolute trust, he is not there to intellectually discuss theories and wisdoms but to realize the cosmic paranormal and normal layers covering your soul for eons in this life and previous ones.

george | Thu, 11/26/2009 - 12:26
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India

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

Your friend's comment"
"I have been to India and believe me, for every one good yogi/gifted spiritual person, you have 10,000 charlatans and crooks. It is a land of conmen and many superstitions in spite of its powerful spiritual heritage."

That person is 1000% correct about India except the ratio is more like 10 million demons to one spiritual person. India is a core vortex of evil for hundres of thousands of years. I have traveled and live here for 38 years. I have a Ph.D in Veda, Sanskrit and Buddhism.
If you do not wish to accept my comments are your friends' maybe you will read the following book written over 200 years ago by a French Abbout who spent over 30 years in the trenches of India. I can assure you nothing has changed since then or before then or now.
Abbe J.A. Dubois ... "Hindu Manners, Customs and Ceremonies". (over 700 pages of details). The reason for the concentration of such 'light' in India in the past is simply to counter balance the evil which is concentrated here.
Thank you.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 13:42
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All Gurus have gone beyond

All Gurus have gone beyond time and space, which implies that Buddha’s don't have past present and future. According to this understanding of timelessness and spacelessness, Gurus of past present and future all in one are available here and now. So why are we so much in desperate search of a true guru or living guru when the guru is this existence itself coz everything that surrounds us now living, non living, form, formlessness are going to be the gurus of future who can equally be the gurus of today.
I feel that at times we get so much immersed in the search that we forget what we are searching for or rather what we are searching for was always there.

joshoda | Wed, 08/26/2009 - 17:35
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Have a sincere WISH

TRUTH springs from SINCERITY
LOVE springs from TRUTH
LOVE leads to GOD
At this moment i feel, be sincere to yourself.Don't think of bogus guru or cheated one,they are not GURU,they are doing business in the name of guru.It is their karma,cheating innocent people in the name of SPIRITUALITY,that is the biggest SIN.

Have a sincere wish for GURU.GURU is always true.Which is false or bogus is not GURU.

Once again BE SINCERE AND HAVE A FAITH.GURU will knock your door,when the time comes.Give some space,time will take care.
With all my GOOD WISHES.

bonya basu | Thu, 08/27/2009 - 07:09
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What can a Guru do if one is not ready in reak sense?

What can a Guru do if one is not ready in real sense?
If some one is crying that he is thirsty and will die without water in few minutes & at the same time fresh water pond/river is in front of him.
Then what would one say about this situation?
If he dies without water in this situation,then who is at fault/to blame?
Water or that thirsty man ?
OM

madan_gautam | Thu, 08/27/2009 - 11:29
Gilana's picture

Beyond

Do you, personaly, contact and receive direction from the Buddhas that are in existence as formlessness now? How do you do that?

Gilana | Sun, 11/29/2009 - 05:34
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Guru and Yourself

Most important isn't judging this or that guru, but rather looking into your true self. If you strongly and sincerely bring up the question "What am I?", then all things will teach you in every moment. Every situation is an opportunity to keep a clear mind, a mind that just reflects the reality that's right in front of you, just-now, like a clear mirror. So then, EVERYTHING is your guru.

If you throw away ideas and opinions and just keep a big question, then everything and everyone will help you. If you hold ideas and opinions, then even if you meet Jesus or Buddha or God, it will be like encountering a demon, it will do no good.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Fri, 08/28/2009 - 19:13
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The difficulty seems to be

The difficulty seems to be that ideas and opinions cannot just be thrown away, like taking out the trash. Beliefs are held because they are believed in, not because they are consciously chosen. Opinions are the perspective one actually holds, and are not subject to the choice to not hold them.

So there are questions other than 'Who am I' that must be asked first, and clarity must form around these false beliefs and opinions.

Of course, we all want to believe we're just on the verge of Awakening and maybe if we look at that question one more time, it will happen, but the reality is that most folks have not done their homework. First, one must become fully conscious. This presents a bit of a dillema for those who think they already are.

Phroggy | Fri, 08/28/2009 - 20:01
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Re: The difficulty seems to be

> The difficulty seems to be that ideas and opinions cannot
> just be thrown away, like taking out the trash. Beliefs
> are held because they are believed in, not because they
> are consciously chosen.

We may adopt beliefs because we're following the crowd, or authority figures. As soon as we recognize we've done this, we do have the choice of whether to question the belief, or to cling to it.

We know this choice is possible, because people discard beliefs all the time. Aren't there numerous people who, for instance, once believed in the literal truth of the Bible, but then examined the belief, and discarded it? It's actually an increasing trend for people to adopt a belief-system for a while, then discard it.

> Of course, we all want to believe we're just on the
> verge of Awakening

Why "we all"?? If this is your experience, that YOU want to believe that you're just on the verge of "Awakening" (however you choose to define that concept)... then OK, that's something to examine and question. But you only really know about your own beliefs and wants.

Claiming that "we all" believe something... can be an avoidance mechanism for questioning the belief for ourselves. After all, if "we all" hold a particular belief, then it seems like it's not our responsibility to examine it. "Everybody else does it!" is one of the most common and effective excuses in the book.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Fri, 08/28/2009 - 21:28
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The other difficulty seems

The other difficulty seems to be one of listening....
You talked about "throwing away beliefs and opinions and asking one big question", and so i suggested that throwing away isn't so easy and those beliefs will also have to be questioned. "Examining the belief", "questioning the belief", is what I'm talking about.

"Claiming that "we all" believe something..."

I never made such a claim. What I said is that we all WANT to believe we're on the verge of Awakening. Wanting to believe, and believing, aren't necesarilly the same thing, though the implication is that sometimes they are. If you want to be Awakened, then it's natural to want to believe you're almost there. Is that such a radical statement?

Phroggy | Sat, 08/29/2009 - 22:30
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Gurus

Dear Ferro ,

The very idea of judging gurus - fake or real is a bad start. You don't need to keep on looking for a guru. He will appear when you are ready. This is not an abstract idea. It is a real thing. You get attracted to the one who is most helpful for you at this moment based on your level of consciousness this moment. It is a gradual process. No shortcuts. It happens on its own accord and pace. What is important is doing your work on a continual basis without getting tired. Sadhana is important. When you are ready ( after numerous births, may be) it happens just like that as happened to many before us. It appears as though it happened in a flash but many lifetimes of effort would be behind that moment of enlightenment.

Don't think about gurus being that or this ( Indian / western, male female or other attributes). Be open and do your sadhana (spirtual practice). That is all what is needed. We do not need to worry about how many lifetimes it takes. It is like we all are traveling in a train which has many compartments. We are in race with those who are in compartments in front of us nor do we feel sorry for those behind us. It is just fact that everyone has place to sit and everyone is traveling. When once destiny comes he gets down and the rest of us continue to travel.

I hope this helps.

Respectfully,

Sudhakar

Sudhakar Majety | Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:43
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It is a gradual process.

Greetings.
The Buddha was asked this question is "enlightenment gradual or instance" by his chelas, Since the Buddha made it a point not to answer such question as "why, when, where, how, etc. there was no reply.

I will give you a concept to ponder.

Enlightenment occurs gradually instantly.
Thanks

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 14:23
bonya basu's picture

GURU

Dear Kamofero,
After a long break again I am in this blog .Today after reviewing all the coments in this blog I could conclude
that you have a sincere desire for TRUE GURU ,in the process you have met some and you have been cheated.When you have cheated you understood what is TRUE and what is FALSE.These are the learning phases through which you are refining yourself.I told you before also read some good stuff that will refine your MIND.These are the different
path through which one has to pass.
If you have a sincere THIRST for "GURU",you will meet surely.
With all my GOOD WISHES.

bonya basu | Tue, 04/06/2010 - 11:15
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Love

Hello kamaferro,

How do you know when you're in love?

Do you have a fact sheet where you tick all the factors? Do you select a person to be your partner from what you think they should be like?

Or do you just fall in love?

The same with the Guru. It is love.

If you limit yourself because of the past, then you cannot be present to the moment. Your "bad" experience with someone you put your hopes on, your projections, your desires, your ideas of "purity" upon, was merely a reflection to you. It seems to me that you are blaming this person for your "bad" experience, but what is your responsibility in this relationship?

Is it possible that you haven't found a guru yet because you are so clouded with doubt that you cannot open up to trust life? Is it possible to ask you to look deeper than what appears to make "sense" as to what a guru "should" be? A true guru will make you very uncomfortable... Are you ready to let go of who you think and believe you are?

I ask these questions for you to contemplate upon as I don't know the answer to them :)

Peace

"Trust allows you to navigate imagination beyond where shadows lie". Tony Samara

PranaBeats | Thu, 04/22/2010 - 06:36
Azeemi's picture

Pray to God

Dear Seeker,

You are in the right process of seeking. This is the correct way of the real seeker. One learns to differentiate between pebbles, gems and diamonds, only when spends time with them. Like your ex-wife, you also had an ex-guru.

I suggest you keep on the search as it is, and pray to God to send a guru your way. ultimately, its God that you are seeking, not a man.

AzeemiSoul

Azeemi | Tue, 05/11/2010 - 10:09
Gilana's picture

Difficult to trust

Time has passed since I wrote on this blog...I'm reading your question a little differently. I see the words, "searching" "meeting" "concerned" "reading bad things" "difficult to trust."

Whether or not my Guru is real has lost any meaning to me. Only the progress of peace seems to matter now. Its like the jagged edges of broken glass being smoothed by the ocean, things don't hurt as much. Maybe that's why I am more concerned with hearing the ocean...it's occupying my mind. Plenty of "bad" things are happening...financial crisis, emotional crisis, exhaustion...but I can't seem to drop into depression and fear like I used to.

Gilana | Wed, 07/28/2010 - 18:26
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Way to find True Guru

anyone who want true guru can pray to enshrine guru for true living guru.enshrine guru helps devotees to find true living guru. Only living guru can give living knowledge that is experiences. from the time of birth everyone got guru only need to search. or when someone get good spiritual state guru itself finds him/her.

mayureshv | Thu, 07/29/2010 - 05:29
RAJAvsraj's picture

i ended in big soup

i tried to follow chariji of srcm.org as he says he is the only living master. but he could overcome his own short coming like anger at even minute things, money and worst is he uses his powers i call it as black magic aganist his own followers.He is like mad dog, which ofcourse does not know why it barks, in this case chariji does not know why he is arrogant on abhyasis and dog also bites chariji does black magic with out any reason.

RAJAvsraj | Sun, 08/01/2010 - 23:55
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TRUE GURU

DEAR FRIENDS, I WOULD SUGGEST THE READING OF TWO BOOKS FOR EARNEST SEEKERS IN SEARCH OF A TRUE GURU.

GURU CHARITA

SAI SAT CHARITA

THESE TWO BOOKS ARE EASILY AVAILABLE ON INTERNET.
I AM SURE IF THESE BOOKS ARE READ WITH FAITH AND DEVOTION, YOUR LIFE WILL TAKE A NEW DIRECTION.

madhu | Mon, 08/02/2010 - 05:20
ramakrishna's picture

Finding the Guru

'The guru is known as the grace bestowing power of god" according to Kashmir Shavism. There is only one guru that guru principal, yet that manifests in the many and we have many true gurus who can teach and show a divine path of being, however for whatever reason we are attracted to guru A and not Guru B it does not matter as long as we are sincere for we are attracted to their personality and then they in turn drive us back inside of ourslves. God dwells within each of us.
Imagine you are in the 1800's and you ran into Sri Ramakrishna looking for a true guru would you have recognized him? you may have thought him a little weird, gurus do not conform to our stereo type behaviour they are free in every sense and cannot be contained by laws or concepts, anyone seen videos of Nisargadatta Maharaj will notice how animated and free his expressions are, or Bhagawan Nityananda of Ganeshpuri a great Siddha guru who sat in silence and mumbled the odd word here and there, yet both these men had many a follower throughout the world.
Ultimately the guru teaches us there is no difference between the you and the me we are all part of the same consciousness and they show us further by the way they themselves live their lives.

ramakrishna | Tue, 09/14/2010 - 03:48
ramakrishna's picture

Finding the Guru

'The guru is known as the grace bestowing power of god" according to Kashmir Shavism. There is only one guru that guru principal, yet that manifests in the many and we have many true gurus who can teach and show a divine path of being, however for whatever reason we are attracted to guru A and not Guru B it does not matter as long as we are sincere for we are attracted to their personality and then they in turn drive us back inside of ourslves. God dwells within each of us.
Imagine you are in the 1800's and you ran into Sri Ramakrishna looking for a true guru would you have recognized him? you may have thought him a little weird, gurus do not conform to our stereo type behaviour they are free in every sense and cannot be contained by laws or concepts, anyone seen videos of Nisargadatta Maharaj will notice how animated and free his expressions are, or Bhagawan Nityananda of Ganeshpuri a great Siddha guru who sat in silence and mumbled the odd word here and there, yet both these men had many a follower throughout the world.
Ultimately the guru teaches us there is no difference between the you and the me we are all part of the same consciousness and they show us further by the way they themselves live their lives.

ramakrishna | Tue, 09/14/2010 - 03:48
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Re: Finding the Guru

> Bhagawan Nityananda of Ganeshpuri a great Siddha guru
> who sat in silence and mumbled the odd word here and
> there, yet both these men had many a follower
> throughout the world.

If these men had many a follower, so what? That just means they were popular. If we were sheep, then we'd want to follow anyone who many other people followed. But we're human beings, so we don't need to do that.

Nityananda and Ramakrishna are long long dead. None of us ever met them. Anything we say about these dead people... is just our own fantasy, based on things we've heard or read.

Why spend time believing in stories about dead people? Why not look to our own experience, to the Truth that's right in front of us in this moment?

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Thu, 09/16/2010 - 16:03
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I am not fully convinced.....

I appreciate what you said.But to begin with you need some refference point and that refference point act as initiater......and rest depend upon the individual's effort.
These are the source of inspiration which is very much required to motivate the mind.

You said Nityananda and Ramakrishna are long dead.Their body is perished not the inner Being,that is very much present,if you visit such places.Don't beleive in this material body,Beyond this body there is consciousness that is subtle......this body is the gross of combination of subtle bodies which is not visible.But real peceiver can perceive it.

Hope i could justify what i said.

bonya basu | Fri, 09/17/2010 - 07:30
RandomStu's picture

re: not fully convinced...

> You said Nityananda and Ramakrishna are long dead.
> Their body is perished not the inner Being, that
> is very much present, if you visit such places.

You can imagine Nityananda's inner Being, you can fantasize about it, you can believe in it. And indeed, imagination and belief do have strong effects.

But let's be clear: there's a difference between fantasizing about Nityananda or Ramakrishna's inner being... and the concrete reality of what you perceive just now. Why not look into your own experience?

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Fri, 09/17/2010 - 17:49
bonya basu's picture

You find it as fantasy,the

You find it as fantasy,the way you are thinking but honestly speaking i find different World in it.....which is really unparallel.It is a deeper science of Spirituality.

GOD has created every individual with some special instinct that is why we all are the product of ONE but still there is a little difference, that difference is the binding or repelling force among all individual,that is why this World is running (Dynamic) otherwise it would have been Static.This is the reason every individual thinks in his own way.Some are tender they need support at the initial stage.

At your level,i believe you have crossed a long distance and you are putting your observation likewise.But when a new aspirant enter for his aspiration,he needs to have one support, that support is Ramakrishna...Nityananda....Jesus....or whatever it is.Without the inspirational thought it is difficult to initiate.I think if you follow or keep the thoughts of some great personality,that work as a ground work for growing the SEED of Spirituality.Once this seed germinate then with regular practice it flourish..........then everything happens at its own.

Mastering the MIND is the most difficult task,for that you need some support which helps in controlling the deviation of mind, otherwise mind has a tendency to run here and there .When the mind is focused, meditative then the support automatically disappear.

It one of the way.It is my observation.

bonya basu | Sat, 09/18/2010 - 10:45
Dr.DeLight's picture

Followers

Broadcasting from Mt. Arunachala.

I always say if more than 2 persons agree with me I must be saying something wrong. Rarely does even one agree. This gives me confidence that I AM still connected since what I speak is a projection from 'Source'.
Thanks.

Dr.DeLight | Sun, 12/23/2012 - 14:40
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True Search for a True Living "GURU"

Dear Kama Ferro,
I am following path showed me by my Great Guru ji (Shri Parthasarathi Rajgopalachari ji, srcm.org)and i am enjoying His blessings in the form of my sadhana's results.

We have no advertisement by any medium. We believe a true seeker is able to call their Guru at his doorstep by inner craving.There is nothing much to share because, do practice and find the changes in the form of silent, calmness, coolness and great satisfaction by your heart.

May Master Bless!! you,
Bhoo Prakash

Bhoo Prakash | Tue, 01/11/2011 - 06:17
Griffin's picture

True Guru.

True Guru is truly all that is. There is nothing that is not Guru; (Heart/Self/God/Love/Enlightenment/Oneness/Eternal Bliss/Universe/Love/Kingdom of Heaven/Nirvana).

Look inside and stay with I. Ask "who am I?" Guru is there! He is waiting if only you will look for Him. YOU ARE GURU, Seeing is being...

Om Shanti Shanti Om.

Griffin | Tue, 01/18/2011 - 18:22
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The Thing About Gurus!

Kamaferro,
Strange thing about gurus is they are man, they do not fit any one certain mole, their parent nature may appear to be any one of the multitudes of man personalities, therefore, except one is a guru one will not know a true one.

Being one myself I know I have integrated within myself every characteristic I have ever seen among man but the thing is I do not allow any one characteristic control my body, I consciously control the characteristics. Should I see one appearing to control me I recognize is as one I have not mastered and set out to master it. I bring it out and give it the opportunity to used the body to the limit where is endangers someone else then I consciously takes control of it.

A Guru will seldom say "I don't" for they know circumstances arise when they are not allow to control the attribute just to remind then to always be aware there is the chance of slipping consciousness.

If they attempt to teach a path rather than the experience and conclusions discovered by following path, take care, they may no be who they claim. Everyone is the teacher of themselves, the guru is one who is self taught and can give another tips of some of the snags to be encountered along the way. Experience is the teacher, to hear of another's experiences and believe them is to become schooled into following their leadership.

Although a guru enjoy the company of others, they usually spend most of their time alone contemplating or meditating concerning those parts of life they have not experienced. They know the requirement is for then to experience every attribute of every man, any one they do not recognize in themselves they constantly seek to fulfill.

The guru will, after a short time of conversing, seek separation and no one's dependency on them. Some few occasions they accept limited dependency but never seek gifts, they see the wisdom of all life in the self reproducing environment, provide yourself with your own needs or do without. However, they don't own things and when needs, such as computers, are a Zeroversal [universal] required there will be those to provide them just because you are serving the greater cause. In serving the whole the whole serves you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--Elijah "NatureBoy"-- Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:04
Isha's picture

True gurus

There is no true guru as such. But the true gurus are God, Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Ram and other perfect beings who came to give us an example and teach. If you go to one of these by prayer or meditation you will be enlightened and that enlightenment will be a revelation and embodiment of themselves in you. So you will become like them perfect. You will also gain powers to heal and other gifts and most responsibly to pick up your journey and go deeper into the 'hidden things'. Then you will be a real disciple when you are taught the things from above, eternity or heaven. Only a real guru abiding above can teach you these that matter if you are going to move on in the next life seeking eternal happiness. As for earthly gurus, they are human. They will use psychic cording to hold on to you for their benefit and needs be they sexual, financial or fame. They will come in your dreams telepathy all to convince you for their means. It is putting down the foundations for a dangerous cult. Real holy men do not go out to sell themselves like this as you will see in India around Haridwar. They are like ordinary people and their teachers are real true gurus.

Isha | Fri, 06/24/2011 - 17:50
Hari30's picture

Our dedication is more important.

I pray to god to get me true knowledge.

I had always receieved true knowledge wherever it was available & I got inspiration from my heart.

Every person is unique & has some knowledge which others don't have.

Guru Dattatreya had 24 Gurus & all are not human.

Hari30 | Tue, 12/20/2011 - 09:31
Nathyogi's picture

Re: True Guru

I do not say with name. You may judge and decide for yourself.
Here is the litmus test.

Who claims himself God
Know him to be full of fraud.
Who claims Guru on his own
Know him to be a perfect clown.
’Cause God and Guru even disown
The merit that They really own.

For more information read this: http://www.nathyogi.com/Nathyogi/pdf_files/Free%20Press%2027-10-2013%20(Weekend%20Page%203).pdf

Nathyogi | Wed, 07/23/2014 - 06:45