Stick to one guru or be open to many?

dora's picture



Average: 4.9 (9 votes)

I would like to open this discussion. I'm sometimes doubting whether I should stick to one guru or rather be open to teachings and satsangs of several.

My concern is that distributing my attention to several teachers is maybe a trick of my mind, you know, take here take there and never focus on one path.

If someone was thinking about this and had an experience, I will love to hear. It really bothers me.



leo's picture

The mind will always play its tricks

I think there is a danger of mind tricks in both options: I saw hardcore devotees of one guru who turn "violent" when you dare to speak of another guru. And I saw seekers who are wandering among teachers and do not focus on one method for at least sometime and thus do not progress.

I think the answer lies in maintaining inner sincerity. Whether we are guru-monogamous or guru-polygamous, always to check whether we are deceiving ourselves in our conduct with the guru, whether we are progressing, etc.

leo | Tue, 03/11/2008 - 10:25
Luna's picture

who needs a guru

I think Krishnamurti said it: a guru is a convenient way of throwing our responsibility on someone else...

Luna | Tue, 03/11/2008 - 18:07
enlight's picture

On the other hand

On the other hand, given the dominance of the seeker's mind, there is a needs for an external unbiased opponent to balance the mind's counter-productive conditioning, to impartially pinpoint the mind's mischievous tricks, to fight the mind's resistance to any spiritual progress (which means its weakening).

This external factor is the guru.

enlight | Wed, 03/12/2008 - 09:16
Tania's picture

I always listen to my heart

I always listen to my heart when following a guru. Something vibrates there within when I do the right choice. It is a special kind of pure vibration lacking any intellectual reasoning, desires, and fears, just a quiet subtle magnetic field that draws me to this or that guru. With the years, I learned to respect this compass and let it guide me. It knows what good for me in a certain phase of my journey.

Tania | Tue, 03/11/2008 - 11:33
shond's picture

There is only one guru

Hey come on, there are no many individual gurus, they are all appearances in the manifestation of the one guru.

There is only one guru and it is within you, right there. But we tend not to trust ourselves and consequently not to trust the voice within us and so there is a need for external gurus to represent the same voice. That is why the words of the external guru sound so familiar when we hear them...

Start trusting the guru within, this trust itself is part of the sadhana. And if you feel you still need an external guru, choose the one whose words sound most familiar to you from within.

shond | Tue, 03/11/2008 - 17:22
AnalHaq's picture

Very true about only one Guru

Very true about there is only one guru if u can listen self...

i tried but could not find the answer see if u know the answer :

Everyone has one soul self and who was in all time past present and future like my soul were in all age. but now there are unlimited counting ppls in the world who was not at the time the world created by universe, it means we all were not at that time? i know its little confusing to explain coz its not a material thing ?
if any buddy know pls reply

AnalHaq | Thu, 03/26/2015 - 16:37
nathan's picture

Everything is a guru

I think you refer in your question to human gurus giving satsangs etc, do you?

Don't forget that you are in a dream and in this dream-movie, everything is a guru and your communication with the guru is not necessarily limited to a meeting face-to-face: a guru can be your dog, a sentence in a book, the view of the sea, your neighbor irritating you, anything that conveys a message to you, anything that provokes a state of mind in you, anything that brings out accumulated mental tendencies to the light for you to observe and accept.

This limiting of the gurus into human individuals only, preferably alive, is due to our collective subconscious skeptical thinking that shapes our perception, even in the spiritual realm.

nathan | Tue, 03/11/2008 - 20:18
enlight's picture

The question is irrelevant

You are not choosing the guru, the guru chooses you. "You choosing" is only an illusion.

When the seeker is ripe, the appropriate "guru instance" that will best serve the seeker will be there.

The little you can do is to ASK for a guru to appear, that's it, and it will appear, out of enormous compassion. You cannot ask for a specific guru, you just ask for a guiding guru and existence will provide you with the appropriate guru for you. So don't expect this or that specific guru, just ask and be alert to identify something or someone as the selected guru for you. If you be attentive, you will easily spot him/her/it.

enlight | Wed, 03/12/2008 - 09:08
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If that guru is not a good

If that guru is not a good one (a fake, for example), then sticking to one guru will not do any good.

If that guru is a good one (a master, for example), then jumping around to other teachers will not do any good.

Sure, jumping around here and there can become a trap - but it also depends greatly on the guru.

I find all teachings are one teaching and that there are multiple paths, but one destination. The only true guru is the inner guru - the Self. A physical guru's job is to point at that. If you have a medium guru (not a fake, but not a master - so can only verbalize in his or her own single way and not according to the student)...then perhaps hearing what is likely the same message from another guru might be advantageous - as it is the same message but a different perspective. Perhaps you will find a guru that can speak in your terms or a master who can speak directly to you.

Namaste,

~ Eric Putkonen

eputkonen | Mon, 03/24/2008 - 22:51
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ONLY IN RELIGOUS AND YOGIC PRACTICE GURU IS ESSENTIAL

Santthosh
HI DORA,
THE GURU IS NOT NEEDED IN SPIRITUAL QUEST BUT GUIDANCE IS NEEDED. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ONE WHO NEVER ACCEPT ANYONE AS HIS DISCIPLE.
IN RELIGIOUS AND YOGA FIELD THE GURU IS ESSENTIAL. DO NOT MIX RELIGION AND YOGA IF YOU ARE IN QUEST OF TRUTH.SPIRITUAL QUEST IS SELF REALIZATION. SELF IS ULTIMATE TRUTH IN SPIRITUALITY.RELIGION AND YOGA ARE NOTING TO DO WITH SPIRITUALITY.

RELIGIOUS AND YOGIC SELF REALIZATION REQUIRES GRACE OF GURU AND GOD. GOD AND GURU ARE ULTIMATE IN RELIGION.
THUS FIRST DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT RELIGIOUS OR YOGA BASED REALIZATION OR SPIRITUAL SELF REALIZATION. IF YOU WANT RELIGIOUS AND YOGIC REALIZATION THERE ARE MANY FAMOUS MASTERS YOU CAN APPROACH THEM. IF YOU ARE IN SPIRITUAL QUEST THEN THROUGH FORMLESS SPIRITUALITY YOU CAN GET GUIDANCE.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 06/30/2008 - 22:10
Chaitanya's picture

From my Guru

My Guru tells a story of a person who met her and told her of all the many Gurus he had and does follow.

When he then expressed an interest in her being his Guru, she replied, "No, thank you."

When asked why, she replied, "I do not want to become a part of a collection. You are simply collecting Gurus rather than focusing on your spiritual discoveries."

Chaitanya | Fri, 07/04/2008 - 13:13
Annie's picture

Beautiful!!!

Her reply is so beautiful and clearly out of compassion in order to uncover for this seeker his unconscious conditioning of collecting gurus in a blunt way so he will not be able to escape from it... As I see it, in making the effort to give him this valuable insight, she actually offered him her hand as a guru...

WHO IS THIS FEMALE GURU???

Annie | Fri, 07/04/2008 - 18:08
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I never chose an external

I never chose an external guru, I chose to read the various scriptures and determined for myself what in them suggested the way to find truth. I never failed to explore the teachings of others should I be able to obtain it with nothing more than an opened mind for receiving and discerning how they agree or not.

I found Yeshua ha'meshiach's last words in Matthew's account of his story, "go into all the world and share the news to every creature [including animated life other than man], teaching them what and how you observed all things you have" [paraphrased]. Upon doing that in part, I discovered that exploration of the unknown opens one up because all of their faculties has to be on the alert at all times opening you up to comprehend life.

But that is my chosen path, it may not be for you, but you will never know without beginning it. To the outside observer this is a difficult path but to the inside observer, it is the gentleiest of paths.

Elijah "NatureBoy"
If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons concerning your new revelation.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 07/11/2008 - 21:36
Omkaradatta's picture

Genuineness

I think if you're certain the guru is 'genuine' and authentic, stick with him/her. There's nothing wrong with reading books on the side and such, but getting 'in depth' in some area seems important. If you're following a certain method or path, follow it all the way to the end, or until you feel it's useless and all seeking is going to drop.

Nisargadatta: "You must be extreme to reach the supreme". He's not kidding - we cannot approach this in a "sunday christian" sort of way. If seeking something, *really* seek it. Sincerity and 'earnestness' are all-important here.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 07/13/2008 - 16:56
Wahido Theriaca's picture

Tony Samara and Osho

Dear ones,

Since my spiritual quest started i have always had my heart filled with two energies that for me come from the same source: Tony Samara (www.TonySamara.org) and Osho (www.Osho.com). They for me are one and i always take their words and actions as a guidance and there is no conflict, only joy. Obviously one is in his body and the other isnt, and that makes a big differnce. so i believe that one should find the outer guru if one is not in touch with the inner guru. and this makes sense for one needs a reference point to what is real and truthful in ones path. without this things can get a bit confusing to the mind and then we might go around and around in circles. this is my experience and it works for me. and when you find the guru that is right for you, when you fall in love with total trust in the guru, then there is no need to seek any other, like when you fall in love you dont seek another outter goddess or god, you are so filled with the other that you dont have space for more lets say. anyway, this is just my experience.

Love,

Wahido www.Wahido.com

Wahido Theriaca | Mon, 07/14/2008 - 22:18
divine intervention's picture

I have a problem

I don't know, I, personally, have a problem with a spiritual master that sells essential oils, herbal teas, postcards and t-shirts...

But if he does it for you, that's what important (I'm not cynical)

divine intervention | Mon, 07/14/2008 - 22:40
Wahido Theriaca's picture

of course it works for me!

dear,

if it wouldn't work for me why would i put out the amazing work that i have been doing with Tony Samara? the items you refer actually are a great support to help our bodies to be cleansed of todays modern life styles. do you live in a city, are you everyday facing the environment's pollution? i would highly recommend Theriaca and other products as such to help you cleanse the body, and therefore clening your mind, thoughts, emotions and soul. the other items like t-shirts and postcards are just a reminder... of ones higher self. this is just my experience and it works for me, it doesn't have to be yours or work for you, but why not leave the door open for receiveing something that might be beneficial for you? its always one's choice.

Love

Wahido www.Wahido.com

Wahido Theriaca | Tue, 07/15/2008 - 07:08
ramadvaith's picture

Gurus and Gurus

what is interesting in a forum of this kind is the expression of so many different viewpoints, all reasonable and well argued. Of course, each expression is a representation of one's own experience and it really does not matter if any one agrees with you or not. what is truly important is one's own awareness.

I too had many gurus like many of you. Oftentimes i decided to go by myself. neither really worked. Many masters and many experiments later I met Nithyananda and i truly realized i was Home.

Someone said you do not choose a guru, the guru chooses you. Nithyananda says it does not matter if your guru is enlightened or not. what matters is your faith. With faith even a stone idol can enlighten you.

Even the greatest of gurus step by at the ultimate point. The atma guru, one's inner master, takes over. At least that was my experience.

I guess i could have waited for the inner guru to awaken. I am glad i didn't.

as the French say chacun son gout!

be in bliss

ramadvaith | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 15:14
madan_gautam's picture

GURU

If you are progressing in your spiritual path with a GURU then there is no need to go to other GURU as it will disturb your progress as each GURU is unique and has unique teachings/methods which may differ with the teachings of your present.
if you are sincere and satisfied with present GURU ,then you will reach to your goal.
Do not listen to your mind.
It is my personal experience.
OM

madan_gautam | Tue, 12/16/2008 - 19:23
Phroggy's picture

~

If you don't listen to your mind, what is it that tells you that you are satisfied and progressing?

Phroggy | Tue, 12/16/2008 - 20:48
madan_gautam's picture

~

I think you are best judge for your question.
OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 12/17/2008 - 13:15
Phroggy's picture

~

I think you are dodging it.

Phroggy | Wed, 12/17/2008 - 21:25
madan_gautam's picture

dodging it.

Yes, No, May be,May not be,I do not know ,ask your inner self, but you will find the answer only if you are really with your inner self/ your inner GURU, otherwise not......
OM

madan_gautam | Thu, 12/18/2008 - 17:25
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My experience on this topic.

Jai Shri Guru!

The journey is first horizontal and then vertical...
First we gotta find which Guru and his/her teachings appeal us the most and then go deeper with those teachings.

I now have a Guru after years of confusion...My destined Guru is Shirdi Sai Baba and I have received a lot of help from him and his teachings even though he is not in his mortal body since 1918.

I do seek inspiration from writings of other spiritual teachers like Eckhart Tolle, Paramahansa Yogananda etc but I know inside my heart and soul that I just have one destined Guru and that is my Shirdi Sai Baba.
In this process, whenever I come across any spiritual teachings that are NOT ALIGNED or CONTRADICTORY to the teachings of my Guru, then I just follow what my Guru says, simple!

So I believe in finding the right one, testing that one Guru and then being loyal & discipled to that one path...

Now some people may say that they don't need an outside Guru etc etc but well I feel the need for a 'sagun Guru', a Guru who has a form so I share what I think with you. Certainly for some people, having no Guru in the form works and it is okay coz the God responds exactly to our deeper inner feelings of devotion in whatever way it is. "To each his own".

And if it helps to clear any confusion about a Guru, Shri Ramana Maharshi said that the outer Guru helps to PUSH us inside and the inner Guru PULLS us inside.

May God help you find an answer!

Saurabh

mystic_saurabh | Sat, 06/06/2009 - 08:47
Amit Phand's picture

Nicely said

To answer the original question, if you find your Guru these questions will cease. You can stick to 1 Guru & still study others.

Amit Phand | Tue, 06/09/2009 - 02:10
dhorai's picture

i have one!

i was sticking to one guru alone....

ie lord pillayar it happened as accident...

i was 14 years old in my tenth standard.....

date:29:08:1988

my sister who was as dear to me as my skin is.....

and would always tell stories fight and etc etc

she always loved to fight with me...
an verbal one...
the sufferre my fahter ....
he does not know we enjoy fight....

and every fight had from me lot of moral messages...
and she was good enough to accept them....

her stories include "pulimavu kathai"

"dhala bula kattaiya etc"
and not knowing my sister is durga i would love to recite
"mahisasura mardhini stotram"

and i also i have to be in dirt....

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Fri, 06/19/2009 - 15:35
dhorai's picture

i have one cont!

key words:
sister marriage pottu insult pilayar ideal
heart torn and seeing "thorn in the heart film"
not able to distinguish torn and thorn

2 hours moral fight with nude posture ahead and no bus and dirty environment...

and exalted spritual experiences with "stories of indian saint"

before niramla devi arttacked people attacked etc and duly

it became

fight between ideals.....

ur pillayar god is said as "dog" dog"
by all poeple for lakh of timeres etc etc

and naramukha pillayar said
u say pranava is everywhere go afrom me of just one god u will relise many secrets and help many..."

then started the saga os exploration and pain...

with love
dhorai...

since i am truly lord of teachers skanda
all gods are merging duly....

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Fri, 06/19/2009 - 15:43
drall's picture

The advise for you.

Stick to one.

You will know when he will run out.

Then change.

drall | Tue, 07/21/2009 - 20:15
rebelsoul's picture

One Guru?

The Guru will not give you anything you have not already." Ramana Maharishi. "Self, God and Guru are the same" Ramana Maharishi.

The Gurus that asks the followers to look at the seer of the seen. Who see behind your mind, your feelings...Can you observe this seer? The enlightened masters who point at beeing in the present moment these are right for me. Do not worry about the past or the future. Go with the flow. Already you are aware of your question with having one or several Gurus. No problem. It will unfold by it self. Effortless!!!

rebelsoul | Sun, 08/09/2009 - 08:47
dhorai's picture

i am not such fake men who are opputunistic!

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Mon, 10/12/2009 - 13:36
fast_rizwaan's picture

Same source different bodies

All the enlightened beings speak from the same frequency/state of consciousness, only their body, expression, language, method differ. But all are saying the same thing.

I've been initiated by 3 guru's,

1. Anandmurti Gurumaa - says, awareness, meditation - method is "being witness."
2. Paramahamsa Nithyananda - says, surrender, psychological shift. Method is "sudden understanding" or "click" which will transform you.
3. Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev - says, Desire to expand, pleasantness (body, mind), know beyond body and senses. method is kriya yoga, where sudden silence/energy flow happens during/and after the kriya.

So, even though their teachings, expressions and methods look different but they are complimentary to the realization of truth - that which is non changing!

If someone is not aware enough, then each of the above teaching seem contradictory. As soon as one's understanding/awareness/conciousness/awakening grows/happens, one can see the gist of it.

Gurumaa's words were very advanced for me when I first met her. But only after listening to Osho, and Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev and Paramahamsa Nithyananda... Her words now make profound impact in my inner space.

I vouch for many gurus, at least being in their presence for sometime, so that their living enlightened presence transform us.

If you don't feel tranformation (that something big happens like - your way of life changes; behavior change; anger, greed, fear disappear; calmness/relaxation happens; life feels like joyful; or start thinking is a totally new manner... things/people/situtations make sense) in someone's presence, then he's not (supposed to be) your guru.

Remember, A guru's teaching is only meant to transform your inner space, which can be done easily if you be in his/her presence. Teachings are not important but Presence!!!

fast_rizwaan | Sun, 09/20/2009 - 14:06
RAJAvsraj's picture

if you know guru is performing black magic on followers then

I m talking about guru, shri parthasarthy rajagopala chari, the arrogant, whom he thinks the only good being bearing burden of the whole world, he declares himself as Maha parishad living and being praised by Lord Krishna, but eventually he turns out to be a crude black magician, many followers of the system before him, left him because they say he has deviated system and manipulated for his own gains. they are all powerful and could leave him with out any problem, but i m a meek and weak human being how can I come out of banamathi the black magic performed on me by chariji, the perfect black magic master?

RAJAvsraj | Mon, 07/26/2010 - 03:02
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more information on their website srcm.org about his supernatura

more information on their website srcm.org about his supernatural powers and eulogising him by all liberated souls.
Although books are not available for general public, it is full of this black magic tricks.

RAJAvsraj | Mon, 07/26/2010 - 03:04
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dont worry just visit siddhashramdhaam.com

I too was in such a situation, now gradually out of it with help of shri shaitputraji maharaj

siddhashramdhaam | Tue, 06/03/2014 - 14:43
jasdir singh jaura's picture

easy path

weather u stick to one or u may be open for sevrals,
the sign of a right path is that, it is difficult
the sign of a wrong path is that, it is easy
our mind always try to run on the easy path
while from a very long period we are walking on a wrong path
thats why we are here , otherwise i think we all might be get enlightened.

jasdir singh jaura | Mon, 07/26/2010 - 14:09
omsairam's picture

i dont agree

this may not be true..some ppls are inclind more to a path of realizn for exampl some accept karma yoga, some DEVOTION some go for a GURU and some are for spirituality...hence THIS is there easiest path..hence its the most revealing path..any other path acquird will be misleading...
"JAI MA TRIPURSUNDARI"

omsairam | Wed, 09/29/2010 - 10:45
Cliffhanger's picture

Primary and Secondary Teachers

The book "The Path of Awakening" by James Wood Stelzenmuller goes into great detail about the Teacher-student relationship.

This is from the Instruction chapter:

"You can work with a variety of Teachers, but it is best to find one with whom you are most in accord and make him your primary Teacher. Get as close as you can, listen carefully to what he says, and follow his instructions...

Ideally, find a Teacher with whom you can work closely. One primary Teacher and a handful of secondary Teachers is excellent...

Some Teachers are not available for personal contact. In such a case, that Teacher might be best suited as a secondary Teacher for you. It is ideal for you to have a primary Teacher from whom you can receive individual attention tailored to your specific pattern of unconsciousness, supported by more generalized instructions from others."

From: Stelzenmuller, James Wood. The Path of Awakening. (2007) p. 74 http://jameswoodteachings.com/book

I find this distinction between primary and secondary teachers to be very useful. I have direct contact with James Wood, so he is my primary Teacher. I receive instructions about my life situation from him.
I am in relationship with several secondary Teachers through their texts, audio and videos.

I am new to this forum and really excited about connecting with others who are interested in spiritual awakening. Please visit my blog at: http://alywaibel.wordpress.com/

Cliffhanger | Sat, 08/14/2010 - 20:34
stillness 1's picture

Never settle for anything

Never settle for anything less than yourself, this is where one needs to begin the search, listen to only that, ask the right questions not to others but to yourself, nobody can tell you or show you who you are but you.

You are the light of consciousness and also the witness of this light.
You are pure awareness.

stillness 1 | Sat, 02/26/2011 - 23:52
fast_rizwaan's picture

>Never settle for anything

>Never settle for anything less than yourself,
How would a ignorant person know about oneself (i.e.,"yourself")?
This ignorant person thinks that he is body or mind or intellect...
If one settles for oneself (body/mind/intellect) as one knows then one will be always in suffering. isn't it?

>this is where one needs to begin the search,
When one knows (or believes) that one is body and mind, why would he search? and if one searches, then it will be for the gratification of body and mind only.

> listen to only that, ask the right questions not to others but to yourself,
As an ignorant person thinks/feels that he/she is only a body and mind or intellect (or combination of these 3) then he/she will ask "Why am I not happy?" to his/her mind, and as we can see it (the mind will answer, because I don't have enough money/power/time/energy/relatives/obedience, etc.)

>nobody can tell you or show you who you are but you.
Really? I suggest you to ask at least 10 different people from different religions, and review their answers... Some say they are "God", while some other says "They are the slaves of God", "Some say I am not it is illusion", "Some say I am body only", "mind only," ; hence, an ignorant person could not know about himself/herself based on her ignorant beliefs.

>You are the light of consciousness and also the witness of this light.
You are pure awareness.
How can I be the Light and the witness of Light at the same time????

If you can experience something else, then it cannot be you. say you can experience a thing, which means you are not the thing. If you can be a witness to the body, then you cannot be the body, If can be the witness to mind then you cannot be the mind, if you can be the witness to intellect, then you cannot be the intellect, if you can be the witness to emotions then you cannot be the emotions... then

if you can be the witness to light then.... you cannot be the light!!! isn't it!!!?

And by the way, are you not trying to be a GURU by declaring "You are the light, and the witness of this light; you are the pure awareness???" to the ignorant people...

You are contradicting your own statements isn't it?

fast_rizwaan | Sun, 02/27/2011 - 00:22
Selfless Being's picture

If You Focus On The Finger, You Will Miss The Moon

However you return to your true nature is irrelevant. The ego likes to attach itself to words, ideas, right, wrong, etc.

If someone (enlightened being, anyone) points you to yourself, your true nature, which is egoless, it doesn’t matter who the person is. It could be a “guru”, a child, a homeless person.

Thich Nhat Hanh quoting the Buddha, "My teachings are a finger pointing to the moon. Do not get caught in thinking that the finger is the moon. It is because of the finger that you can see the moon."

Pamela

Selfless Being | Sun, 10/16/2011 - 23:06
Raghavendra1966's picture

No one can stick with one

No one can stick with one guru because life has to enter in next class.

Raghavendra1966 | Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:28
Annie's picture

Evidently, most of the

Evidently, most of the arrant realized ones stuck to one guru. Nisargadatta Maharaj, Osho, Krishnamurti and so on...

Previous class, next class are mind notions...

Annie | Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:58
gurthbruins's picture

Sharing thoughts and opinions

"Sharing thoughts and opinions" are my first words on this forum. Would I never need to repeat them: they must stand for all time. I simply do not have the energy to go on repeating "IMHO" for all eternity: in all the statements I have ever made, and ever will, they are to be understood.

No gurus may be necessary: Krishnamurti says reject all spiritual authorities. That may be good for him, but not necessarily for you. You may need one or many, or none.

It depends. On what? Mayan astrology says Krishnamurti is a Red Moon, and says that the Red Moon has direct access to the divine. No wonder then he does not need an intermediary!

But are you a Red Moon? The chances are 1 in 20... if you PM me your birthday, I can tell you what you are in terms of Mayan astrology. Even if you are not a Red Moon, you maybe something else with its own particular type of relationship to the divine.

Might be an interesting game? I am all for play, the play of leela. (I love Deepak Chopra's book on Golf!)

gurthbruins | Tue, 11/08/2011 - 08:22
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his grace

the seeker should have patience and faith without which he will be unable enter the path having one guru or many gurus is just like digging a well in different places when you can easily strike water in one place if the seeker is ready he need not approach the guru,the guru will appear instantly.

vikram adyar | Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:20
Shogon's picture

One Guru

The truth is one and told by many different gurus in many different ways, when it's known what need will there be for a guru, until then go with your heart you will know her when you see her

Shogon | Sat, 11/26/2011 - 11:12
Elijah_NatureBoy's picture

Find Your Path And Life Is The Teacher!

I never thought about having a Guru until during my "new gestation" when I wanted to go to a seminary I was disqualified from attending. I "prayed" for that door to be opened and spirit told me "you don't need to go to school, I've already taught you," so I never felt the need for a man teacher. However, I often went to other religions to study their scriptures and literature from their teachers and reasoned their concepts with what I believed. Being objective I discovered what they taught often caused me to incorporate some of their teachings into my own vision of life.

I also looked at the self-reproducing environment, nature, and reasoned why man and our domestic animals were so different than those since we all came into being the same way, according to both Genesis 1 and 2. That led me to realize we became domesticated with the Bible's Adam and Eve metaphor.

Thus, using objective observation, participation and reasoning I hewed out my own path to the discovery of truth.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 12/15/2012 - 14:05
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Guru is you, every

Guru is you, every synchronicity of your experience points this way. Other people are you as well, so guide is individual. a friendship with another form of you.
If all the masters, gurus and the other forms of you were all friends this world would be alot friendlier for the natural you.

Mr jack | Mon, 03/25/2013 - 11:02
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Your domesticated reference

Your domesticated reference i think is civilization.
There are no titles we are all still learning.

Mr jack | Mon, 03/25/2013 - 11:10
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Nothing in our experience

Nothing in our experience points to this way and you know it very well. Our experience is limited to the non-paranormal realm. The argument that the guru is within is just a theory for us and so the only important spiritual thing is to admit that, to be honest with ourselves.

Presenting a theory as a fact, no matter how much we want it to be a fact, no matter how much we say it, is just like any other dishonesty we create for ourselves. This is the main fallacy of neo advaitans. the reason why all of them unfortunately happen to get stuck in the mind.

Jibanda | Tue, 03/26/2013 - 11:18
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How About Education?

The word education means to bring forth from within and be able to explain the findings so, for you Jibanda, to be given something from some external source suffices for education?

When we experience things seeking how and why they are as they are opens us up to comprehend all things as our specie's name, man, means; when we experience things and call them good or evil it closes our understanding and create harmful emotional condition in us and make us unable to comprehend all things as human & woman means {woman is not a gender but a sud-specie of man}.

Those things I've learned through my experiences as well as everything I talk about on these forums, so, whence cometh the understanding you presented, from someone's telling you that?

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 03/26/2013 - 12:46
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Dear Elijah, what you wrote

Dear Elijah, what you wrote is nice but irrelevant to the point above which is about the confusion between assumptions and facts regarding metaphysical/supernatural aspects.

Jibanda | Wed, 03/27/2013 - 09:05
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Re: Stick to one guru or be open to many?

Stick to one Guru and follow his teachings. This is the practice.
No Guru can say that one should not engage in Satsang with the wise or disciples of other Gurus. Even God has recommended that He is known easily by Satsang.
If you want to follow another Guru, take permission from the present Guru and go to new one. There is no harm in it. This way you can change as many Gurus as you like or until your search becomes complete.
Hope this ends your botheration.
Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Wed, 07/30/2014 - 09:33