Science finally discovers that there is no self

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See the new guru profile for Thomas Metzinger.

It's amazing that scientists always first need the phase to condemn some spiritual truth in a patronizing arrogant fashion and then find out that actually they were wrong.

It happened with quantum theory replacing the Newton mechanics, it happened with telepathy and other paranormal psychological phenomenon and it happens now with the realization that there is no "I".

Anyway, trust and belief in god cannot rely on science ("science itself says...") as the mind knows very well to soon disregard it in the conditioning level and return to the old habits. One needs much more fundamental ground of surrender to have a true trust and connection with the beyond. Still, it is nice to read such discoveries of science...



santthosh kumaar's picture

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Santthosh
Hi si si,
It is wrong to say there is no self. But science has not realized the fact that 'I' is not the self. The self is that on which the whole experience of duality is based. The self can stay with or without the 'I' or duality.

The 'I' or duality which appears and disappears which is identified as mind. The mind cannot be put under any laboratory test thus science cannot go beyond the mind. The mind has to be driven back to its source only through thinking process by inquiry,analysis and reasoning.Science cannot cross the physical shackle.

Since science believes the mind is limited to the physical entity and views and judges everything on the base of 'I' as self.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH
F.S

santthosh kumaar | Fri, 07/11/2008 - 13:33
sisi's picture

It's a matter of semantics

It's a matter of semantics. In the term "self", psychology as well as other disciplines refer to the individual I.

It is only in Advaita and other related doctrines that the term Atman was translated into self which to my opinion is not such a good translation due to the misleading connotation.

BTW, your writing here is done in duality or in non-duality? :-)

sisi | Fri, 07/11/2008 - 14:38
Omkaradatta's picture

Interesting...

"This error is part of a broader misconception we have of mixing the representations of reality we have in our mind with reality itself. We regard the mental representation of an object as if it were the object itself."

Interesting, and clearly true - it's a shame that science may never be able to test stuff like this (in particular to carry it to its full conclusion and see the implications, as advaita / spirituality has done), as the whole thing relies on a model based on false 'objectivity' (social-consensus peer review) - thus, science itself is flawed by the very mechanism Metzinger notes above.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Mon, 07/21/2008 - 14:48
dhorai's picture

dear sisi and others !

yes it may be so!
sadly sisi as a deep astrologer also i knew that sun means science as well as astrology and atma gjana.

when ur sun energy is surrounded in sceptism like in virgo u suffer badly and see self as different.

speaking astrology truly u find sun is karaka for body and soul and etc......
by jaimini astrolgy if u have sun as atmakaraka u can see the self of others distinctly even beyond atman energy.....

let us take a case....
ramakrishna parmahansa found himself one with rama and krishna while he could hardly touch money and his vahana is hamsa or swan and the true vivekananda when ever got to truth he would say "u still doubt me naren that i am not rama and krishna "

it took 12 years for vivekananda to realise that he is truly brahma who became one with his father rama and krishna by samadhi that he could hardly distinguish himself from them.......

so his song goes like this "sthapakascha dharmasya sarva dharma swaroopine avatara varistaye ramakrishnaya te namah"

"he is the original founder of creation and caste dharmas
and he is optimum perfect avatara"

forgive the scientist for they where created so or then alone they can work egosticaly perfect"

lot to share,

with love ,
Dhorai.

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Sun, 12/28/2008 - 16:40
Jasmin's picture

We regard science as God

Intriguing! We are so conditioned to rely on science, there are even spiritual theories, especially in India, that in order to portray some kind of certainty and credibility use the term "scientific" to describe their techniques and path.

A first step to get free from the ignorant conditioning is to realize this holy power we gave to science. To realize that we mistakenly regard science as God.

There are incredible benefits to Science, we live better, we live longer (and we also launch atomic bombs and kill innocent people and creatures thanks to science) but it is still a mind-based model of the world, not the absolute truth... And it changes constantly and has endless flaws...

Jasmin | Fri, 01/14/2011 - 15:36
shivoham_108's picture

THE ILLUSION OF THE SELF

SHIVOHAM
I AM.THIS IS BONDAGE.THIS IS GENERATED BY THE BRAIN.THIS BRAIN SEPARATES AND CREATES THE INDIVIDUAL THAT ACTUALLY DOES NOT EXIST.AN INDIVIDUAL AS SUCH IS JUST THE SUM TOTAL OF IMPRESSIONS HELD IN THE BRAIN IN THE POINT OF TIME FURTHER NOURISHED BY MEMORY WHICH GIVES IT CONTINUITY AND THUS THE ILLUSION OF THE INDIVIDUAL SELF.

shivoham_108 | Thu, 06/30/2011 - 10:48