Oof, i want to get enlightened!

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Average: 4.5 (17 votes)

Years of hard work, meditations, retreats, struggles with myself... I'm a bit fed up... I want enlightenment... at least a glimpse... something...



solomon's picture

abandon effort and desire

you are in th right direction!

First, it's time to abandon effort, the effort you say you are fed up with. Effort was appropriate for the beginning. Now it is only an obstacle, effort means conflict (otherwise you wouldn't have needed any effort) and conflict breeds the mind.

Then, abandon all desire and especially the trickiest one of all: the spiritual desire, the desire for enlightenment which is yet another type of desire...

Then see what happen...

solomon | Wed, 03/26/2008 - 00:15
santthosh kumaar's picture

DESIRE AND EFFORT CANNOT BE ABANDONED

Santthosh
WHO OR WHAT HAS TO ABANDON DESIRE WHETHER IT IS BODY OR THE MIND. THE DESIRE IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE OR MIND.

EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE EFFORT ON PHYSICAL PLANE TO ACQUIRE WISDOM TO REALIZE THE EFFORTLESS STATE. THE DESIRE OR INTENSE URGE ONLY THE SEED WHICH TAKES THE SEEKER TO THE CORE. IF ONE ABANDON HIS DESIRE THEN THERE IS NO USE OF FORGING HEAD WITH INQUIRY.
SINCE EVERY SEEKER HAS HIS OWN VIEWS AND EXPRESSES HIS EXPERIENCES BUT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE THROUGHLY VERIFIED BEFORE ACCEPTING OTHERS VIEWS.
THE ULTIMATE TRUTH CANNOT BE CONTRADICTED.

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:14
eputkonen's picture

Cease! Be still...

Obviously, all the hard work has not done what it was supposed to do. So cease making all efforts and just be still.

Who is it that is fed up and wants enlightenment?
(likely answer - well, I am. - onto question 2)
Who are you?

Namaste,

~ Eric Putkonen
http://www.awaken2life.org

eputkonen | Fri, 04/11/2008 - 00:01
solo's picture

Who Am I?

And don't try to answer the question intellectually (e.g. I, John, a lawyer, 40 years old etc.) but just follow the sense of I the question evokes...

solo | Fri, 04/11/2008 - 14:54
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THE JOURNEY FROM WHO AM I TO WHAT IS 'I'

Santthosh
HI SOLO
Who am 'I' is the for the beginners. WHO AM 'I' is a great gift to the spiritual world by Maharshi Ramana to the spiritual world. But years of hard practice the doubts and confusion start propping up. Those doubts and confusion are very important and it is the results of the fruits of your inquiry. Those doubts are a signal to say something is wrong somewhere seeker has to remove the obstacle and forge a head. Thank Raman for creating a doubt and leading the seekers to this point.
The real journey starts when seeker becomes aware of the fact if 'I' am not the physical body then the inquiry must end there. There is no use of saying I am not the sense, I am not the mind 'I' am not this I am not that etc. BECAUSE WITHOUT THE PHYSICAL BODY NEITHER THE EGO NOR ANY EXPERIENCE CAN PREVAIL. BUT IT IS NOT EMPTINESS BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING REMAINS TO SAY IT IS EMPTY.

The seekers like Paul Brunton rectified the inquiry after consulting the great Advith master of those days Sri, V.S Ayer to WHAT AM 'I'. But even what am 'I' takes halfway. Then seeker has to start on his own research. He has to forge a head to What is 'I' which will take him to the core.

SEEKER BECOMES AWARE OF THE FACT THAT 'I' IS NOT THE SELF BUT 'I' IS THE WHOLE HUMAN EXPERIENCE WHICH IS MIND. THE INVISIBLE SUBSTANCE AND WITNESS OF THE 'I' IS THE TRUE SELF WHICH IS SPIRIT. TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT FORMLESS SPIRITUALITY IS THE ONLY TOOL. YOUR OBSERVATION THAT INTELLECTUAL ANSWERS OF NOT OF ANY USE IS CORRECT. INTELLECTUALITY IS OF NO USE IN THE FIELD OF TRUTH SEEKING OR SPIRITUALITY. SEEKER HAS TO HAVE COURAGE TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND REJECT THE UNTRUTH. SEEKER SHOULD NOT BECOME INTELLECTUAL STAGNATION.

PLEASE FORGE A HEAD BY REMOVING ALL THE OBSTACLES AND FATTER ON THE WAY YOU BECOME AWARE OF THE FACT 'I' WHICH IS WHOLE HUMAN EXPERIENCE IS MERE ILLUSION ON THE STANDPOINT OF TRUE SELF WHICH SPIRIT.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTHOSH

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 06/30/2008 - 20:49
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STILLNESS IS NATURE OF THE TRUE SELF.

Santthosh
Hi Eric,
ONE CANNOT BE STILL AS A PERSON. IT IS FOOLISH VENTURE TRYING TO STILL WITHOUT MAKING EFFORT. EFFORT IS NEEDED BUT NOT PHYSICAL BUT MENTAL THROUGH INQUIRY AND REASONING. JUST BEING STILL IS OF NO USE. HOW LONG ONE CAN REMAIN STILL AS A PERSON. SO ACHIEVE REAL STILLNESS ONE HAS TO INQUIRE INTO NATURE OF THE MIND NOT REMAINING STILL AS A PERSON WITHOUT ACTION. STILLNESS IS THE NATURE OF THE SELF. IMITATING STILLNESS AS PERSON WILL NOT YIELD ANY RESULT.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH.

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:02
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Enlightenment or Endarkenment?

First of all, I believe, for what you are wanting to obtain you are using the incorrect term. When we look at the definitions of dark [the presences of all colors] and light [the absences of all colors] "Enlightenment" would be ignorance because it would represent "the absences of all knowledge and comprehension". "Endarkenment", then, would represent "the presences of all knowledge and comprehension" and is the term to fit what I believe you mean. Because you will have integrated the positive and negative you illuminates, sheds comprehension of the subject for those with eyes of the mind to see.

Second, to obtain knowledge one has to explore the unknown. One must observe the differences in similar situations participated in, then reason with the outcomes. Next one has to integrate the knowledge and comprehension of those findings with the knowledge and comprehension already obtained.

Yeshua ha'meshiach (Jesus the christ) made two profound statements seldom given full reasoning. The first was "to become as a small child" and, second, "go you into all the world... teaching others to observe all things you have... [I paraphrased]".

A small child is always exploring [until punished and rewarded into not doing it]. The reason is observation, participation and reason are the building blocks of comprehension. "Man" means "mind able to comprehend all things" so the exploration of the unknown is our nature.

That is why he went on to tell us to constantly
explore unknowns and teach others what and how we have observed them. While communicating your findings to others, you will receive pros and cons pertaining to your reasonings. You then take those concepts into meditation [while traveling to another destination] and integrate what appears to be reasonable. Once you have made your conclusion you share it. This you do until no new pros and cons seems to appear for you to consider that as the absolute [although it still may change later, as other things are in incorporated into it].

That has been my experiences.

Elijah "NatureBoy"
If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons concerning your new revelation.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 07/07/2008 - 00:13
Phroggy's picture

Nothing is so

Hi Elijah

Actually, ignorance is false knowledge. Enlightenment is, as you say, the absence of all mental knowledge. This is the goal; to realize that all your concepts, beliefs and knowledge are ultimately false and serve to act as constricting limiters on Beingness. The human is, in a sense, a subset of Beingness imprisoned within his own conceptual notions of what is so.

If what you truly are is the source of knowledge, then you are prior to all knowledge. To know your Self, then, requires no knowledge at all. The entirety of the spiritual path is about noticing what is NOT so. In the realization that nothing is so, where are the boundaries of Self?

Phroggy | Mon, 07/14/2008 - 18:17
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All Is So

True, ignorance is missing [false] knowledge and enlightenment is the absence of comprehensible knowledge; endarkenment is the presence of comprehensible knowledge.

Incomprehensible knowledge is knowledge based on illusions like love and hate, pretty and ugly, good and evil, and other judged into being concepts. It is incomprehensible because there is nothing the physical senses are able to recognize.

Comprehensible knowledge is knowledge having physical characteristics recognizable by the physical senses.

When one is in the "no knowledge at all" they are as a baby being born, they may be able to manifest what is termed "miracles" but they do not comprehend how they are done. When one comes into the "all knowledge" stage they manifest those so called miracles but with the comprehension of how they are able to do them. In between those 2 manifestations man go through a multitude of learning experiences to bring us out of the "no knowledge" stage and into the "all comprehending" stage.

Elijah "NatureBoy"
If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons concerning your new revelation.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 07/17/2008 - 02:39
Phroggy's picture

All is nothing

Any comprehension is the comprehension of mind's illusory knowledge, which is wonderful in the context of operating within the illusion, but may become an obstruction to the realization of Truth, which is devoid of anything to be comprehended.

I'm not sure what the "all comprehending" stage is, or if it's something anyone ever accomplishes, and if they do, I'm not sure there's any spiritual value in it. If by chance what you mean is realization or apperception, then that's a different matter.

Phroggy | Thu, 07/17/2008 - 08:33
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ALL IS

I disagree. The only illusory knowledge is that which is judged. Only when one is living in a state judging everything are they living in the illusory state. When objects and events are determined by sense perception without judging them they are living in the IT IS state or state where they are able to come into "all knowing".

To know is to experience and experience is a three part act, observation, participation and reason. We must first observe that it is, then we interact with it determining its various differences, and finally reason with the differences recognized to determine purpose and usage.

The "all comprehending stage" is when one is able to manifest themselves as every physical manifestation it has been up to the point where they are. It is like the metaphor of the salt doll wanting to measure the depth of the ocean. It plunged in and broke into its smallest particles expanding the whole ocean, then it reunited itself in realization of the depth of the ocean and the nature of the ocean as well.

The "life-force mind combination" [ghost or energy] responsible for maintaining the zeroverse [universe it is usually called but only zero is a whole] has to permeate everything about the zeroverse in order to maintain its form and multiple internal forms. This is done until its duration is complete when it then discarnates and enter into one of the internal forms. Meanwhile, one of the internal form's ghost enters the zeroverse and remanifests it and all of it internal forms. Thus, when the "life-force mind combination" is the maintainer of the zeroverse it is in "the all comprehending stage".

[Read THE BOOK OF NATURE found in my revelation on my blog.]

Elijah "NatureBoy"
If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts and reason that until you have reasoned all pros and cons concerning your new revelation.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 07/17/2008 - 21:54
Phroggy's picture

Nothing is

"All you see and seem is but a dream within a dream"
E.A.Poe

Experience is a dream; stories within stories; conceptual/perceptual inventions of mind that mean nothing more than what you take them to mean. It's not possible to examine the dream of experience and find something that is not a dream experience, just as in your nightly dreams. Within the dream, we can create infinite mind states, just as the egoic state is a mind state. It says nothing about what is Truth and what is not.

Yes, experiences can be very powerful, and they may, though in this case not so much, point to Truth, but they are not Truth.Truth is a timeless realization that leaves no tracks in the mind. It is not an experience. All experiences are objects of mind. The Truth of your Being is not an object; it is the Subject. You cannot perceive it, you cannot have knowledge of it, you can only Be it. Throw everything else away.

Phil

Phroggy | Sat, 07/26/2008 - 20:09
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You don't have a choice.

You don't have a choice. Experience is the only tool you have, it is the only thing you can rely on, the only 1st-hand by definition (this is the meaning of "experience"), it is your microscope, your laboratory and your test tube. all other tools are mere 2nd-hand and thus from your perspective theories.

That which we call "truth" is just a concept, we cannot even imagine what it is, not even the tip of the toe of the foot of it and discussing it doesn't give much except of candies for the mind.

Experience is indeed not the best tool, it is sometimes deceptive (not necessarily always, depending on one's sincerity and advancement) but it is the only one so there is no room for being selective.

As long as you are within the dream, the tools at your disposal are those that are within the dream.

leo | Thu, 08/14/2008 - 15:56
Phroggy's picture

Dream tools

Regardless of how many tools you have available to you, you cannot rely on experience. You say that experience is the only tool but is not the best tool, which is a bit confusing. I'm guessing you mean to say there's nothing on which you can really rely, but it's worth questioning if there is such a thing as self evident Truth, as many say there is. Are they also deceived? If not, then this is something that can be relied on.

Maybe the focus should be on the notion of tools. The assumption is that you are an individual, volitional tool weilder that doesn't have effective tools. Can you find a perspective from which that whole ideas looks absurd?

"As long as you are within the dream, the tools at your disposal are those that are within the dream."

Ahhh, but You are not within the dream.......are You? Isn't that the whole point?

Phil

Phroggy | Fri, 08/15/2008 - 00:01
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Timeless doesn't exist

Time is the measurement of cycles which is the cause of most illusions. Truth is the recognition of the cycles and all of its events happening during the cycle.

Your "You cannot perceive it, you cannot have knowledge of it, you can only Be it. Throw everything else away." has to be a misreresentation of what you wanted to say. If that were true you would not even be disccussing, you would not be interacting with anyone nor anything, you wopuld be like the phoenix, just sitting and doing nothing until it is time to burn yourself up.

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Elijah "NatureBoy"--If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission. Now, reason the differences in our concepts until you have reasoned all pros and cons integrated.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 14:14
Phroggy's picture

Okay but......no.

"Time is the measurement of cycles which is the cause of most illusions. Truth is the recognition of the cycles and all of its events happening during the cycle."

Gnaw, not really so much, actually.

"Your "You cannot perceive it, you cannot have knowledge of it, you can only Be it. Throw everything else away." has to be a misreresentation of what you wanted to say."

No, that's what I wanted to say.

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 17:29
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Elijah, urgent!

Elijah dear,

A few comments regarding your footer, seriously:

"If I have caused you to question your beliefs I have accomplished my mission."

Sorry but no, you didn't accomplish your mission. By the above statement your EGO has accomplished its mission, not you.

To really accomplish your mission, it should be "If I have caused MYSELF to question MY beliefs I have accomplished my mission."

"Now, reason the differences in our concepts until you have reasoned all pros and cons integrated."

Reasoning differences, pros,cons or whatever is only games the mind plays for its amusement and self gratification. From some relatively early point, reasoning can not yield any substantial fruits. On the contrary, it just introduces more thinking, more intellect, more mind. Go beyond concepts, pros, cons, debates, theories, ideas, doctrines, beliefs. Just be and observe and accept whatever is. It is called meditation and it is much more powerful than words. That's what I am rushing now to do.

leo | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 17:43
Phroggy's picture

Ouch!

Oops! You just stepped on Elijah's footer. Hehe.
Serially, though, I agree, it's that footer that took me out of conversational mode as it implies no oppeness to question his own beliefs.

I like this a lot:
"If I have caused MYSELF to question MY beliefs I have accomplished my mission."

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 18:07
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Truly, I didn't mean to step on his foot

Truly, I didn't mean to step on his foot. I hope he doesn't get it this way.

I truly meant for his own good. I'm sure he didn't mean to express arrogance or superiority, it is just his mind playing convenient tricks to block change as our minds play other types of tricks for the same purpose.

The footer expresses an attitude that leads nowhere even if he happened to have some exclusive and mysterious access to truth through words and concepts.

As someone once said: "we commit errors until the last minute, otherwise the last minute would have been one minute before." This is the nature of the seeking and the path and so in order to make sure we always find our errors, we must be extremely open and extremely alert regarding our current beliefs.

leo | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 18:21
Phroggy's picture

Yes, I could see the

Yes, I could see the motivation, and I agree it would be useful for our friend to take a look at. I was really just teasing. :)

Phroggy | Sat, 09/06/2008 - 18:28
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It seems that experience is

It seems that experience is all it's about. Without experience there is no duality, without duality there is no experience. Creation creating. Many spiritualists seem to fight experience as though it were something seperate from what they are. Isn't it interesting? Hi Marie.

Coyote | Thu, 08/14/2008 - 14:56
Phroggy's picture

Those durn separatists!

What "Many spiritualists"? Maybe the ones who are separate from what you are? Okay, okay, just teasing. :)~

Phil

Phroggy | Fri, 08/15/2008 - 00:09
Coyote's picture

Zackly, I have created you

Zackly, I have created you to teach myself I'm not seperate, hehe

Coyote | Fri, 08/15/2008 - 18:52
Phroggy's picture

Uh, oh.

Well, whatever you do, don't stop!
::::suddenly feeling existential crisis::::

Phroggy | Fri, 08/15/2008 - 19:05
madan_gautam's picture

enlightenment

what you think about enlightenment.
all your thoughts about it are only your creation, creation of your mind.
enlightenment comes at tis own and one has to wait for it without any efforts, but yes you have to be prepared for it.
and rest for glimps, yes it is possible.

madan_gautam | Fri, 09/05/2008 - 10:21
Omkaradatta's picture

I agree...

She's looking for a dream of her own making, called 'enlightenment' ;-).

People often come up with some mental idea about it, which is guaranteed only one thing: If enlightenment exists, it will be nothing like you can conceptualize. Really, nothing is like we imagine it; reality lies in the unexpected, unanticipated, unknown.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Fri, 09/05/2008 - 21:26
venkym's picture

Maybe you are not going about it correctly

I see a lot of advice about how you should be effortless and drop everything etc. As this advice is given with much authority I wonder how many have actually had any results using it themselves. We are talking here about enligtenment of course.
Maybe the Zen master knew sumthin when he said that you would surely attain enlightenment if you dropped everything and spent a week on this matter as if your life depended on it. Single pointedness and earnestness is always the key.

venkym | Mon, 09/15/2008 - 16:50
Phroggy's picture

I can't really figure out

I can't really figure out who you're responding to, but I'll answer from my perspective as a general statement on the topic. I never tell anybody to drop everything since picking up has happened and dropping is just another split-mind ego game, and that's what needs to be looked at. Not dismissed, but actually pondered, meditated, intuited, contemplated, clarified. It's silly to be so terrified of our own minds that you don't dare use them. Expand it, deepen it, open to something beyond it, but don't go to sleep because you're afraid of it.

Phroggy | Mon, 09/15/2008 - 23:37
Omkaradatta's picture

By all means...

If somebody wants to drop everything... drop. The key is to go your own way on the spiritual path, and as soon as possible, although not avoiding suggestions/input from others. The truth is 'pathless', in that your way will be completely unique for you, created from scratch as you go along. I agree too that single-pointedness and earnestness are critical.

P.S. of course, if you drop everything for a week and then pick it all up again, you merely had a nice vacation ;-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 09/16/2008 - 02:50
john's picture

Honesty is the best policy

It is remarkable that you are admitting that you have this desire. Most want to believe that they are beyond it while they are not, they are just fooling themselves. They will even dare to consult you as if they are teachers or higher authority.

Cherish your honesty, it is a rare trait and most valuable on the path, wherever this path leads or doesn't lead.

Love.

john | Sun, 04/19/2009 - 15:25
RandomStu's picture

Wanting

There are 4 sources of suffering:

1) Attachment mind: I like this, not that

2) Wanting mind: I want to get something

3) Holding mind: I've got something, and want to keep it

4) Checking mind: This is good, that's bad

The fundamental thing is the mind you keep, not what it's directed at. That is, if you want money, that desire will bring suffering. If you want enlightenment, it's still a want. Why make and hold ideas about "enlightenment"? What are you doing right now?

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Tue, 10/20/2009 - 15:11
Toltec Logic's picture

remains eternal

Learning to die before you die
seems to be the secret, but it
is not by forced effort that the
husk of conditioned mind falls
away of itself... though effort
comes before the release...
Perhaps you are trying to hard
begin by doing; the trouble is
information overload keeps
us blind to the simple truth
that remains eternal...

“When all else fails,

look for the humour of it.

We are seeking

what has already been given.”

“Pay attention

to silence.

It has a voice

of its own.”

K. Bradford Brown

Great perfect mirror
awakening is
not an idea
but a time when
the knowing essence
becomes manifest

Toltec Logic | Sat, 01/30/2010 - 22:46
larine brown's picture

I FEEL STUCK. I HAVE BEEN

I FEEL STUCK. I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ENLIGHTMENT FOR A LONG TIME. I AM 33YEARS OLD NOW. AND IM TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MANIFEST MY DESIRES. I HAVE JOINED BECAUSE I NEED HELP. THIS IS MY CRY. IM TIRED OF EXPERIENCING PAIN. I WANT TO LIVE. I WANT TO HELP OTHERS TO LIVE.

larine brown | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 16:21
not_me's picture

I have been in the same state a few years ago

I HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR ENLIGHTMENT FOR A LONG TIME

why do you search for enlightenment specifically? Is it just for stopping the pain? you know that in order to stop suffering and be happy you don't need enlightenment. There are quicker and easier solutions and they are certain as opposed to enlightenment which we cannot really simulate until we are there.

AND IM TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO MANIFEST MY DESIRES

Have you tried giving up these desires or at least stay aloof as to whether they manifest or not? Are you aware that this strong desire to manifest your desires is a major cause for your pain? Have you checked why truly you want to manifest your desires so badly?

IM TIRED OF EXPERIENCING PAIN.

Have you read Eckhart Tolle's "The power of now"? I think it will help you a lot. Plus I strongly recommend you to read the following short posts, they deal exactly with your problem and will enable you to solve them:

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/suffering-not-caused-pain-resisting-pain

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/end-suffering-so-simple

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/true-surrender

I WANT TO HELP OTHERS TO LIVE.

Leave the others and the help to others and concentrate on yourself and on the help to yourself. Others will manage without your help, believe me. You as well should learn to manage without the need to help others.

not_me | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 17:08
Toltec Logic's picture

what is awakening?

Of course this is all well and good for as far as
the western mind is able to grasp the ungraspable.
Without passing particular thresholds of awareness
however, we remain locked into this curious prison
of pretty images like castles in the air made all the
more unapproachable by false ideas of some mass
awakening. As if the Tao in all its power and humility
could be handed to you on a silver platter from some-
where outside yourself. If we do not take the
responsibility to make the effort to approach this
open awareness in all humility, how will we ever
awaken? If you do not even know the questions how
could you hope to find the answers? Yes, there is this
image of a big picture that is a reflection of our
original self which naturally appears from time to
time, full blown in the mind, where suddenly the
whole equation of life inexplicably makes sense.
Yet it seldom last. Mapping such changes
within the matrix of awareness is how the
I Ching teaches us the secret of immortality.

Now if that isn't a big enough carrot to spark
one's interest then perhaps we shouldn't waste
your valuable time. Judgements and resistances
regarding those things we do not comprehend is
perhaps our greatest obstacle in understanding
daily spiritual practice. Concepts and expectations
must fall to the wayside where the mind of Tao
exist. This is what is commonly known or refered
to as 'being present' free from the constrictions
of base mundanity.

~*~*~*~

"Detaching from the mundane by means of the celestial
requires that one first foster the celestial while within
the mundane; fostering the celestial is just a device
to repel mundanity."

"When the celestial energy has been fostered to the
point of correct balance... this is stabilizing life in the
proper state."

"At this point... the mind of Tao is in charge of affairs,
and the gold elixir has formed... one has transformed
all mundanity, like a cat catching mice, except for the
root of mundanity, which has not yet vanished and is
still capable of being a burden on the path."

"What is the root of the aggregate of mundanity? It is
the discriminating spirit of the human mentality. The
discriminating spirit is the seed of endless routine,
the root and stem of personal history; its authority is
very great, its roots are very deep."

"People are very attached to it, and are unwilling to
part with it, so even if they want to get rid of it, it is
not easily gotten rid of."

"The way to get rid of the discriminating spirit of the
human mentality is to be firm yet capable of harmony,
to be strong but flexible, neither obsessed nor indif-
ferent, neither forgetful not insistent, waiting for it
to lose support and wane in power, so that it can be
removed by detachment."

"Extripating the root of misfortune, bringing about
the original state before personal history, round and
bright, clean and naked, bare and untammeled,
unborn and undying, this is something indestructible
and incorruptible."

"The path of the I Ching is the Tao of balance of the
earthly and the celestial..."

"Innate knowledge and innate capacity are primordial,
while artificial knowledge and artificial capacity are
conditioned. When you recover the primordial reality,
then you comprehend nature and realize the meaning
of life, and so enter the road of life; this is the
eternity of the path."

"If you follow conditioned artificialities, you obscure
nature and damage life, and so enter the road of death;
this is the misery of the path."

"As long as there is any force of mundanity that has not
been exhausted, one does not become immortal."
ancient Taoist Saying

The Taoist I Ching

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 18:23
lagrima's picture

Remarkable

This is a remarkable reply, genuine, wise, deep and to the point and yet extremely compassionate. I think you should post it as a separate post for the benefit of so many.

I wish I was receiving such a precise advise years ago when I needed it and couldn't understand what they mean by "acceptance".

lagrima | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 20:06
viv's picture

There is no you

Hi Larine

I know exactly how you feel - I felt the same way up until January of this year. Then I was directed to look and see that what I thought was me, is just that - a thought. When that's seen, it's also seen that there is no separation.

No you = no separation.

If you want to talk about this and be guided on how to look quickly and without having to go through years more of pointless seeking, then let me know. Send me a message or friend me on FB - viv westbrook.

You're already free - you just don't it yet ;-)

www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Wed, 06/29/2011 - 16:09
PranaBeats's picture

blah.

To me it just seems like she was venting. And that was two years ago, with no reply.

Maybe she´s enlightened now...

:)

Peace

"Trust allows you to navigate imagination beyond where shadows lie". Tony Samara

PranaBeats | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 19:53
lagrima's picture

She is maybe not enlightened

She is maybe not enlightened but for sure very very advanced. I had private messages with her here and in yahoo for some time plus her texts are awesome. I know she posts publicly only when she has a very concrete reason.

lagrima | Sun, 04/25/2010 - 20:15
bonya basu's picture

Enlightenment

One has to be strong desire and thirst for ENLIGHTENMENT/SPIRITUALITY. Without desire you can not start your journey.To be enlightened you have to cover the journey.How long the journey,It all depends upon individual.You have to keep patience and enjoy the journey.

I will narrate one story,one day one diciple went to his master and asked,when he will get enlightened.His master replied,count how many trees in this garden,that many lives you have to take for your enlighenment.Diciple got frustrated and left all his spiritual work.
Next day one more diciple came to master and asked same question .The master said,you have to take as many birth as this tree is having leaves.....At that very moment that person got ENLIGHTENED.

SO journey towards Enlightenment should be ENJOYABLE....... You don't know at any moment you will become Enlightened....Moreover if the journey is enjoyable then you don't bother for ENLIGHTENMENT............

It is my thought I wanted to share here.
With Love.....................

bonya basu | Wed, 04/28/2010 - 10:11
Toltec Logic's picture

Effort of doing not doing

Adorned without color? Is adornment by simplicity
merging both firmness and flexibility, unclouded
clarity of stabilized illumination both substance
and energy are transmuted in harmony with
celestial principle.

"Minimizing oneself, one is prudent and cautious, getting
rid of intelleectualism, inwardly preserving clarity of spirit;
with open awarenessthat is uncoulded, one cannot be
moved by anything. There is much benfit in this, but
minimization that is too extreme is stillness without
illumination; it is not form of union of clarity and stillness
that could be developmental or beneficial."

"Stillness means resting in the highest good, being tranquil
and imperturbable. Clarity means clarifying the quality of
illumination, being sensitive and effective. Uncontrived when
quiet, creative when active, clear in stillness, tranquilly
employing illumination, attaining it in the mind and proving
it in affairs, only then is it called true stillness and true
clarity."

"If one does not meet people who can understand, this
poses a limitation and makes development impossible.
This is like when a well is cleared but people do not drink
from it... This is the concern of one's heart. Because it
is worth drawning from."

"It is hoped that there are rulers or powerful people with
clear eyes who will trust and emply the enlightened; then
everyone will have a spiritual model, and will receive
blessings without end."

The Taoist I Ching

A good traveller has no fixed plans
and is not intent upon arriving.
A good artist lets his intuition
lead him wherever it wants.
A good scientist has freed himself of concepts
and keeps his mind open to what is.

Thus the Master is available to all people
and dosen't reject anyone.
He is ready to use all situations
and doesn't waste anything.
This is called embodying the light.

What is a good man but a bad man's teacher?
What is a bad man but a good man's job?
If you don't understand this, you will get lost,
however intelligent you are.
It is the great secret.

Tao Te Ching

"To try and eliminate errant thoughts doubles the affliction;
to aim for reality as it is also is a mistake."

"Returning without going anywhere does not come about
by human effort; it appears spontaniously at a given time
and comes from nature."

"But once nature's time has arrived, human exertion is
necessary; one should hasten to set about fostering positive
energy and suppressing negative energy. When the celestial
and the human act together...the mind of Tao
is always present."

I Ching

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Wed, 04/28/2010 - 17:16
Rushabh's picture

hi do read it will be helpful to u

Rushabh

You have not found any master to show you that you are a pure soul. Everyone says do this and do that, pray to god, some say to Krishna, some say to Mahavir. The whole day they chant Ram,Mahavir, but when there are conflicts between brothers, they do not remember Ram Laxman. Whenever there are problems between husband and wife, they forget about Sita Ram. how much have our anger, pride, worldly delusion, greed, attachment and contempt, decreased. By how much has your inner peace increased? By how much have your tension and worries decreased?

Knowledge of the self will provide solution to all circumstances. Every religion is true but the religion that examines ‘Who am I?’ and ‘Who is the doer?’ is the path of ultimate religion.For endless lives, this is the only thing that remains to be fulfilled. In human life, if this link is found then your work is done that, 'who am I really ', 'what is my real form'. Everyone knows that 'I am' but they don't know 'who I am' or 'what I am', that is what we need to realize

Self-Realization
What is Self-realization? It is to know and experience directly who You really are? And who is the doer? The wrong belief that “I am Allen” is destroyed and the right belief that “I am pure Soul” is attained during Self-realization ceremony. Inherent in the belief that “I am the doer”, is the root cause of binding, or charging new karmas. “Allen” is just a title given to identify the body.
Through Akram Vignan, one can achieve Self-realization, in just 2 hours by undergoing Gnan-Vidhi ceremony from the current link of the Gnani., Pujyashri Deepakbhai Desai. During this ceremony, ignorance is dispelled and true knowledge of the Self is revealed.

You can experience true and eternal bliss

Rushabh | Sat, 05/08/2010 - 17:54
joejo's picture

Why Enlightenment & why any Path

Before one starts on any path I think one needs to be very clear why one seeks. It is this that colours our search and may have much to reveal as to our frustrations.

One who has been through this must understand the value of patience for there is a season to sow and one to reap. Progress if there is one is not linear & one cannot know how far down the path he/she is for the destination may be just round the corner.

That is not to say one must be lazy or asleep. All we can do is try and that we must for that is a sign of living.

joejo | Sun, 05/09/2010 - 02:08
kvskmech's picture

The moment you concieve of

The moment you concieve of something called 'enlightenment', you have already missed it.. When you are talking about enlightenment, you are not actually talking about it.. This statement of 'I want to get enlightened' is no different from saying 'I want one million dollars'..

kvskmech | Tue, 05/18/2010 - 17:31
jasdir singh jaura's picture

its easy

its easy,
i'l tell u,
Take sm Petrol,
Pour it on the "I",
Light a Matchstick,
Oof,
Happy journey,
easy,

jasdir singh jaura | Sat, 08/21/2010 - 11:20
agapuram's picture

I think you are thinking too

I think you are thinking too much about enlightenment and enlightened persons. Take Buddha for example. He is an ordinary person like you and me. He also has pains and pleasures, ups and downs. Only that he considers them equal, that makes the difference. He also has realized his true self, and always clings to it, whatever ups and downs come, wherever Maya tries to take him away.

Have you realized your true self? if yes, you are as enlightened as Buddha is. There is no more enlightenment or less enlightenment.

If you have reached your natural self, you, me and Buddha are the same!

agapuram | Sun, 04/24/2011 - 04:23
viv's picture

Make it easy on yourself,

Make it easy on yourself, Mika.

Liberation is the realisation that what you are is a concept. That's it.

You just look once. What is termed 'self' is an idea, a notion only.

viv | Mon, 06/27/2011 - 15:38
Kevin22's picture

Who is the one that wants "enlightenment"?

If you look then you will find that the one who wants enlightenment is the mind. You cannot differentiate between yourself and your mind, therefore, your mind is controlling you.

You have a body, a mind, thoughts, emotions, and feelings. You are able to observe all of these things at one time or another. If you are able to observe it then how can you be it. Whatever observes the thoughts, emotions, body, etc. is you. Your body and mind are your possession and vehicles of experience.

Now, try to just observe your thoughts, body, emotions, desires, opinions, etc. Everytime you notice that you have become attached to thought, emotion, desire, body then remind yourself that you are not that but the observer of that. Keep this up and then you will create a seperation between the mind and yourself. As you do this you will notice that thoughts happen still but are no longer controlling you...they seem external to you.

Be persistent!

Kevin22 | Thu, 08/18/2011 - 23:42
viv's picture

What is it that 'has' a

What is it that 'has' a body?

Is there any such thing?

Look and see if you can find the 'I' that wants enlightenment.

Identify it.

Find out what it is.

You may be surprised at what you don't find!

There is no such thing as self. What you think you are, is just that: A thought.
www.v4vivality.blogspot.com

viv | Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:25
Kevin22's picture

I AM has a

So long as what you have said is the result of your direct experience then such a statement is good, but you must know it not just think it.

Kevin22 | Fri, 08/19/2011 - 22:45
mrkotians's picture

Enlightenment...!!

:)

mrkotians | Mon, 10/10/2011 - 11:32
walkerstone's picture

you are now enlightened.

you are now enlightened.

walkerstone | Fri, 01/06/2012 - 23:22
kalgo's picture

No, she is not, and it is

No, she is not, and it is important to emphasis this. This is a common mistaken conclusion of pseudo advaita. When someone is enlightened, consciousness has resided from all the identifications.

kalgo | Sat, 01/07/2012 - 22:02
luckybezel's picture

Enlightenment means to be in

Enlightenment means to be in the light, not in the dark.

"In the dark" means you don't know. "In the light" means you know.

What do you want to know? What do you want to be enlightened about? Enlightenment itself? Being enlightened about enlightenment is simply knowing that you know. Most people are subjected to the power of the word, enlightenment, itself more than what it actualy points to which I have already explained. Take away the mystic of the word "Enlightement" and you have left is understanding the meaning of the world. Is "meaning" what you seek? Again, what is it that you want to know?

It is impossible to be enlightened about everything because knowledge is infinite.

luckybezel | Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:11
Annie's picture

The metaphysical, the mystic

The metaphysical, the mystic aspect of enlightenment is part of the essence. You take it away and you are left with the mind. This is a great error of Neo Advaitans leading to so many people who think that they are realized and in thinking so block their spiritual development.

Annie | Mon, 01/09/2012 - 10:52
joejo's picture

Kowing which you know all

I think true knowledge is the knowledge which reveals all. I feel there is such a thing and its "content" is very little. Yet, to know that little one needs to learn a lot.

joejo | Tue, 01/10/2012 - 04:10
Nathyogi's picture

Enlightenment

Sans Guru,there is no enlightenment. Only by the grace of God, Guru is met. Practice devotion to your favourite God. I think the most important thing is lacking in your practice.

*** Salutations to the shoes of Guru Siddha Nath ***

Nathyogi | Wed, 07/23/2014 - 11:16
lilian's picture

An advice: recalculate your spiritual path

In such points on the path when you feel that it doesn't lead to enlightenment, one needs to stop for a moment, inspect his/her conditioning with regard to the path and change course.

For example, most of those who were years on the Advaita path (that evidently and unfortunately doesn't really lead forward) leave that doctrine and try some other which is less theoretical and more practical. This is especially true with the Neo Advaita misinterpretation of Advaita, people understand at some point that the Neo Advaita teachers' slogan "you are already enlightened" is a bogus and ridiculous path.

TRy to listen to the channeling of Seth by Jane Roberts. I see that it's an excellent and effective followup in such change of the spiritual path.

lilian | Mon, 01/05/2015 - 14:07
Higiuyama's picture

Help me

I need people to explain spirituality and it's practices to me. I am totally new.

Higiuyama | Wed, 02/17/2016 - 22:17