Anyone tried Ayawaska?
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Anyone tried Ayawaska (also witten Ayahuasca)?
Ayawaska is a shaman psychoactive extract prepared from a mixture of two plants native to the Amazon Rainforest. It is used for undergoing profound shamanic and religious experiences.
I am considering participating in a shaman ceremony in which you drink this extract.
I will love to hear your spiritual / psychological experiences with it, positive or negative.
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Usually I am against drugs
Usually I am against drugs and other shortcuts but ayawaska is a quantum leap for spiritual development.
Just go with a free mind, no reason to worry. The ayawaska will take care of you, you will understand what I mean...
There is sometimes some vomiting and a certain diet to follow in the preceding 24 hours to minimize this vomiting.
Make sure the ceremony is organized by a recommended group with experienced shaman, helpers and musicians.
Ayawaska is a blessed thing!
It opens the subconscious in a way you cannot believe. It opens your senses to dimensions you cannot believe. It opens your heart so wide you cannot believe. It destroys your ego in a way you cannot believe.
Highly recommended. I can regard my first ayawaska experience as one of my prime spiritual turning points. All my prior meditations and spiritual practices seem like some spiritual masturbation.
Don't worry about the vomiting, it is part of the energetic cleaning, you will notice this without any doubt.
Beware
It's nice to hear people's positive experiences, but you should also be aware that there are casualties.
I have met quite a few. Not everyone can cope with this type of experience. It is no doubt extreme, if you are attracted to extreme experiences, but I haven't seen much evidence of ensuing mental peace or stability.
It may give you the key to the cosmos, but you will undoubtedly find that when you try to go back, the lock will have changed.
Depends whether voluntary psychosis is a risk you are willing to take.
Can agree with you regarding other drugs
I can agree with what you wrote regarding other drugs but my experience with Ayawaska was different.
I feel that aywaska is not a drug or a root, it is a living entity.
Ayawaska was my deepest spiritual experience and its effects remain with me to date long after the experience ended the same way the effects of a vipassnana retreat remain etc.
It enabled me to have a glimpse into my deep deep subconcious sewage which I had had no clue of its existence, it guided me in my path in a way no guru or book have ever managed to do. Indeed it wasn't easy but I felt that the intensiry was tailored exactly to what I can take plus a little bit more... so I trusted it and surprisingly had no fear.
I heard over the years similar accounts from others and never never heard of someone who flipped out because of Ayawaska and I am very aquainted with some folks who are involved with it as a way of life and read researches and professional reports prior to my first experience (including the famous report of the Israeli scientist, forgot his name).
Ayawaska is more than just a root. It is an entity. For skeptics it may sound strange... but you cannot remain skeptic after experiencing ayawaska...
Beyond your own experiences
Very happy for you and your friends, but it doesn't change the fact that some people do indeed flip out or have problems adjusting to life after taking Ayawaska. I have met a few personally, one was a close friend.
OK sorry
OK, sorry I didn't know about such cases. Good to know and important that people will be aware.
I hope your friend is OK now.
He's still a bit wobbly
He's still a bit wobbly sometimes but time is a good healer.
Don't get me wrong, I think this type of substance is awesome, but it pays to be aware that if you have a sensitive mind, it may not be the best course of action. I'm sure that it's only a very very small percentage who react badly, but if it happens to be you then it's a bit of a disaster. At least on the surface, who can tell?
there are also people who flipped from vipassana
I heard over the years also about people who flipped from vipassana or after going into seclusion.
I think ayawaska, vipassana, seclusion and other powerful tools are not the cause but the trigger as they go deep into the psyche and there they may trigger a mental problem that would come up anyway.
This is why anyone who is unstable, has some mental problem or takes psychiatric drugs better not do any of these but if you are ok with no mental record, you have no reason to be afraid from ayawaska.
That's pretty much what I
That's pretty much what I wanted to say.
It's funny though, I have been surprised to find that writing here has proved quite a mirror for me. I came to realize that I was holding a bit tightly to old views, based on past experiences that are not necessarily relevant now.
I hear very positive reports about ayawaska taken in the right context.
I am reconsidering my position and may well give it a go if the timing feels right.
Effects of Drugs
Well first of all ... i would like to say .. any drug is a medicine... B4 getting into the effects of drugs we should know a little more about ourself.. We have an energy body covering our physical body called the aura.. and there are several whirling energy centers called chakras... Chakras are the key to the inner world... These chakras and energy body is protected from harmful elements by a wall.... The inner world also has harmful elementals like the outer world. Some people have the capacity to open the wall and close it as and when they need.. So they can go to the inner world and come back...It can be achieved through meditations and other techniques... they are called clayervoyants... But when we do hallucinative drugs what actually happening, these substances are creating cracks on teh walls.. (small halls) .. So we can enter the inner world through these crackz.. but thre is a catch here.. SInce it is a crack, and not a door which can be closed when needed.. different elementals from the inner world can enter our energy body and affect our physcial health... THe elementals can be good and bad . some elementals are extremely dangerous.... This can cause serious problem for the physical and mental body..
I have tried different drugs for fun and for spiritual purposes... I'd agree drugs like pot expands our consciousness to an extend and we feel elavated and peaceful.. we'll even start loving others... and we'll be anti war and violence... But even fr that there is a catch... once we stop using pot, we'll feel depressed and don feel like doing anything in life.. now that is not a good sign, is it???
As for the drug you' mentioned here, I am hearing it for the first time.. but i've tried diff kinds of drugs.. nd i've even lost a friend because of that... And now i am following a meditation system.. and When i compare it with the experience i had with drugs... i have to say the meditation experience is faar faar superior to the drugs...
id' give an example.. suppose you have built a house.. and now you want to get out of the house to see the world.. and the world is very beautiful.. it consists of lot of good things.. but the world also has bad thngs and bad people who'll harm you.. thats you built a house to protect yourself.. now you have two choices .. one to open the door and see the world and come back and close the door and be safe.. the second choice is to break the walls of the house and get outside the world.. and come back through that broken wall.. but the problem is others can also come inside your house.. both good and the bad... I think using drugs is like breaking the walls... Why break it when you can open the door and be safe...
This is just my opinion and view .. I am not an authoritative person to speak about this subject matter.. So what i have mentioned here could be right or wrong... So only take what you think is correct .....
THank you .. and god bless all. .
ayahuasca
I have participated in sacred ceremony with "Mother Vine" and would not have if I felt it was a "drug", a hallucinogenic. I am not in favor of anything that takes you away from yourself, and this includes any spiritual practices, or shopping for that mattter that, that keep you from doing the real work which is turning inward. I do feel this is a practice that should be undertaken only if you have done previous work to loosen your grip on your beliefs and your ideas of yourself. If so, this is a powerful tool of transformation....again, not one to be taken lightly.
My experience with her is you are drawn deep within to see, and therefore excavate the concepts and beliefs you are attached to that do not serve you. This can come in some so-called horrific visions. You are also shown the workings of the universe. The reason I say it is not a hallucinogenic is because when I opened my eyes, I saw things as they are in normal waking life. But, I could not keep open my eyes. There was a deep and powerful force pulling me inward.....and it is there that you experience that we do contain all things within us. I suggest not doing it unless you can participate in three ceremonies. It seemed clear that the first one dealt with the lower levels of consciousness, the second one was middle world and the last ceremony was the upper worlds. Much would have been lost if it was limited to one ceremony.
Bottom line, the medicine is a vehicle to begin to remove the false. But, it will not bring you to what is ultimately true. Only the inquiry into "who am I" can do that.
Happy journeys.....holly
The states
can this be acquired in the states?
Love and Blessings Om Namah Shivaya Om
Michael ji Mahatma Ramaprasad
It is not a drug to purchase
I agree with holy about her observations. I did it once and it was amazing, an equivalent to a year with a shrink.
Ayawaska is not a drug to buy - it is a combination of the root with the music with the ceremony with the energy. I am not sure it is legal in the US but I think there there such ceremonies taking place.
nothing special
I have tried that vine in Iquitos/Equador in 1970. It was dished out during some church ceremony. All I remember is that it turned us into absolute idiots, we were singing and yelling and couldn't find our hotel anymore... Mind you, those were the hippy years. What do you need drugs for? The absolute Highest you can ever Be is right where you are. But then, there is a place for drugs too. Just don't take it too serious and be careful.
no contradiction
Arnie - please reconsider and try it again if you have an opportunity - what you describe is not a typical experience of Ayawaska.
You are very much in the now and here with it but it also incorporates unbelievable opening and introspection. I can not call it fun or being high at all. It is a fortunate powerful tool and it does not contradict the being in the now as a rule.
love to
Dear Tania
would love to try it again but I'm afraid I won't make it into the Amazonian jungle anymore. That body I'm identifying with at the moment is getting a bit "old" for that sort of thing. Too bad. But I tried a little bit of Can... the other day...pssst, don't tell anybody, was 30 years when I last had a j....was lovely and very much in the Here and Now. Why? Because I'm more in the Here and Now. In my Hippy years I was far from the Here and Now, exploring and having fun and always on the go, read all about the Here and Now, stood on my head, chanted Ommm, read Alan Watts and listened to the Beatles... wonderful years, beginner years, planting of the seed, you know. But so far..and yet, so near. Cheers.
Laughing
> Because I'm more in the Here and Now. In
> my Hippy years I was far from the Here and Now...
(as he drifts away from the Here and Now, recalling his hippy years)... hehehe, ain't the mind tricky? ;-).
http://www.omkaradatta.info
love you
Wow Arnie - I only have one thing to tell you - I love you! You made me smile so much with the above cute reply. :-)
I envy you for being so fortunate to be part of that magical era which sounds so romantic and innovative. I am left only with the stories of Jack Kerouac, the songs of Bob Dylan and the tales of RamDas (Richard Helpert) and Timothy Liri which are not enough.
Why did it finish so quickly? why most of you turned into yuppie? Have you turned mentally into a yuppie at some point?
I would have given a lot to hear stories about your hippy days. Have you traveled back then to India? Who were the spiritual lights then?
BTW - for the ayawaska, you do not need to go to the amazonas, there are ceremonies everywhere on the globe.
I love you too
WOW, Tania, that is the nicest I have heard in ages. I had a horrible day, I was trying to come to grips with the agony of jealousy. Me, in my age, ridiculous, you might think but lots of strange things are happening in my life at the moment. But then you come along and a few magic words and lots of love and -Ole- it's all gone. I love to tell you all about the hipppy years. Unfortunately it would take days. But before I tell you anything we need to tie up Omkar and Phroggy, not because they would tell us off for wasting the Here and Now by dwelling in the past, no, it's because they would be....jealous. So, once they are tied up we grab a cup of coffee and..here we go. I tell you the beginning... Once upon a time (actually in 1967, the summer of love, you see) I left Germany in search of a more interesting life. I found a job in Colorado but first of all I had to go to San Francisco, where everything was happening. To make a long, long story short, I made friends with some hippies and was invited to share some pure acid. Where? 2nd floor on the corner of Height and Ashbury, above a psychedelic coffee shop. Can you imagine. Right in the center of the universe. It was magic, people walking around holding incense, candles, sharing apples..all dressed as Napoleons, kings, bull-fighters etc., all stoned, all in love with existence...the Golden Gate park, people dancing naked, a guy was so tuned in that he played his saxophone to an audience of ducks in a pond who were completely absorbed in the music, the beach, the clouds, carpets of colours...all intertwined...all one. You couldn't explain anything. Have you ever read the book by RamDas "Be Here Now, remember". We all talked about the Here and Now, it was the beginning. We were all beginners. God, I could talk forever. Anyhow, 28 hours later I was a different person. And so it goes on. In 1974 I did the Hippy overland trip to India and stayed at the Sivananda ashram in Rishikesh. The beginning of Yoga and the beginning of the end of taking drugs. A seed was planted. Now, so many years later, I'm not interested anymore in the fun and excitement of the sixties, I'm so thankful that I was there but I have enough of dreaming, I long to awaken from this dream... I don't want to come back and have to go to school again. No thanks. But first of all we better untie Omkar and Phroggy, ok. We might need them on this journey. Thank you Tania. I love you too.
wow
You should write a book. It may sound trivial to you but for us it is like as if you had the opportunity to travel to a different planet.
What did you do for living during those days? What the other people around you used to do? (I know it is the least Hippie q to ask but I always wonder about the practicalities... :)
During periods when you all were not stoned, do you feel in retrospective that there was genuinely more natural love and tranquility then?
Was the "Here and Now" stuff phrased implicitly as such then or rather you see your being and doing of then as such currently when you look back? Was there someone specifically who was the "prophet" initially bringing the message of "here and now"?
When you traveled to India, have you met other gurus and stayed at other places except of Sivananda? (I guess Rishikesh got famous then thanks to the Beatles, I wonder how it looked back then...)
When you say it was the end of taking drugs - for you? or was it a general trend then? if it was a trend, how do you explain it to happen out of a sudden?
And I am waiting impatiently for the Yuppie turnover. How do you explain that there was no next young generation on the line to continue the Hippie train, even at a smaller scale? you know, like the constant steady flow of spiritual people to India nowadays...
Thanks!
PS. We know (but sometimes tend to forget momentarily) that regardless of any theory, doctrine or belief, we have no ground to be jealous of no one as we all go to the same place devoid of any material stuff whatsoever, for good and for bad depending on the belief system, the same place, or rather no place... but at least the same...
~
Every generation wants to be different and unique and typically blames their parents for what's gone horribly wrong. Hencely, long hair gave way to crew cuts and shaved heads, and nonmaterialism gave way to pragmatism.
Even the most dedicated hippie couldn't raise a family on free love and while the ideals of many changed, the system didn't, and the kids still wanted the latest styles and gadgets and....um....records. So the next generation was a backlash against the hippies, the materialistic and self centered yuppies; what I like to call meme's. :)~
the "sixties"
hi lalo, thank you, there are many books you could read...my favourite writers were Alan Watts, Thomas Woolfe, Jack Kerouac, Gurdieff, Ouspensky, Hermann Hesse, Baba Ram Das ("Be Here, Now, remember"). The "prophets" were the likes of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Vishnudevananda, Krishnamurti and of course Baghvan Rajneesh or Osho and many more. I can't tell you that much of that time, I worked as a ski instructor. I guess "the hippies" lived relatively simple lives, some living in communes etc., everybody must have had some means of making money, a job, rich parents? who knows. There were plenty of jobs. I'm not sure if there was more natural love or tranquillity then, may be? As Phroggy says, one generation replaces and rebels against the parent's generation, the parents worked hard espec. after the war...so the kids could study.. and drop out for a while. Height Ashbury changed within a few years from drug and love center of the world to a mean and nasty part of San Francisco. The whole world changed during those years, Vietnam, first man on the moon, assasinations, riots, Nixon, cold war.. The "hippies" talked about the "Here and Now" and the "oneness", but were fascinated by "spirituality" and drugs and love and politically active marching against the war in Vietnam. I guess, very few had any clue what the "Here and Now" means. Personally, in hindsight, I had no idea either. The "Here and Now" was a concept and the experience, if at all, was mostly drug induced. It was a spiritual "Disneyland" full of indian Gurus and all sorts of eastern philosophy and fabulous music. It didn't last long. "Disneyland" has changed to "Technoland" and cold materialism and fear of the future have taken over...but also huge interest in people like Eckhart Tolle..There are many Satsang teachers... I wanted to answer your questions, knowing fully well that the past is history and long gone and the future is mystery and all that ever counts is the Here and Now, right Here and Now.
You don't need us...
You don't need Omkar or Phroggy. You need only You. Really.
Just don't be split into subject and object. There's nothing 'out there' at all. Nada. Even the 'far out' is really near-in ;-).
Nada
True, sorry.
Nada is out there
Nada is in there
Nada is Nada.
Grandmother
Kunana (taino for girl of light)
Grandmother is how she is called by those she has touched. Everyone that I know whom has had the blessing says that it is a beautiful opening of the heart. I had the honor of being in ceremony with a small group that I really trusted, the intention was for the healing of the female, the mother and sister energy of our community.I experienced such a warm, pure love that it healed parts of my spirit that had been injured a long time ago. It melted away emotional blocks that held me back from divining my true path to self love. I approach my everyday with an old trust of faith that I had lost along the way. Thank You Abuelita until we meet again AHO
beautiful
wow, this is so beautiful - i can relate to that with my own experience.
I hope to have a continuation this year too.
Salvia
Another plant teacher (not to be taken lightly!!) is Salvia Divinorum. Like Ayahuasca, it's much used by shamans in South America. It's easily available in many countries through the internet.
I've written about the Salvia experience here:
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/hookah.htm
Salvia has the "advantage" of being a much shorter experience. For better or worse, it can rattle the whole universe extremely.
Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
Holographic experience
A great entheogen. You see the holographic nature of reality. Nothing to be afraid of. Don't miss it if you can. A great contribution to self development.
ayawaska
I am also very iterested in the effects of ayawaska. if you live in portland or. let me know how it goes