Take No Prisoners

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Take no prisoners!

Open the gates and release them all, set them free, chase them out, be firm, be vulgar if necessary.

The old inmates, those who spent so many years inside you, they will have great difficulty to depart, to adjust to the very idea of the outside unfamiliar world. The cells' gates will open but they will remain. They will pick up their plates and spoons at noon as usual and head, as they always did, to the dinning room to have their meals as if nothing has changed, not noticing the sudden unusual silence and emptiness around.

With them you will have to be cruel. Use force to chase these parasites out. They will resist, they will play tricks, beware not to identify with their suffering, beware of sympathizing with them. Chase them out like chasing out a sick dog.

And if the bustards are still insisting on staying, pull your gun and shoot them in the head, right between the eye brows, in the third eye.



seeker's picture

Sometimes we need to be brutal

Very beautifully conveyed the urgency of letting go (or even pushing to go) all mental content.

Indeed sometimes we need to be brutal.

seeker | Sun, 11/16/2008 - 17:32
Omkaradatta's picture

All mental content?

Let go all mental content? Are you seeking to become a zombie?

Awakening is about awareness -- dissolving *subconscious* mental content (vasanas, habit patterns) and the tendency to live based on memory and expectations instead of the here/now.

The key word is indeed "let go" -- lose interest in the mental content.

The interest in using brute force to get rid of it show great interest in the mind's contents, tremendous attachment to it. Of course, as long as one remains interested and attached, seeking to push it away invariably ends in failure. Simply the desire to get rid of it equates to attachment.

When one is dis-interested in (content of) thoughts, there's neither a desire to rid nor desire to keep.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 01:14
Phroggy's picture

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I think the point about disinterest, (dispassion) isn't emphasized enough. I recently had a conversation about the notion of killing ego, and the first thought was, what is it that stands triumphantly over the dead carcass of ego? Ego is never conquered, it just becomes irrelevant. The same can be said for thoughts. The attempt to put an end to thought will ensure an ongoing and escalating war, forever searching for the lastest thought-ending/controling technique, but thoughts themselves are not a problem, just the passionate interest in them as though they were meaningful, valuable and ultimately true.

I'm also chatting elsewhere about 'healing wounds'. More often than not, this is an expression of ongoing interest in the 'wound' rather than an attempt to 'heal' it, and so it very often fails. Such wounds are simply memories that are cherished for whatever reason and won't be let go of. As long as the interest in the wound remains, it can never heal, because the interest IS the wound.

Phroggy | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 01:54
Omkaradatta's picture

Emphasis

"I think the point about disinterest, (dispassion) isn't emphasized enough."

Probably cuz there's not much there to get passionate about ;-). Dispassion can't be "manufactured" via a technique, but comes about as a result of daily living, seeing that the life in the mind is dull, dead, worthless.

Also, it's something "real"... not a technique to practice while things stay basically the same, not a "laboratory to perform experiments in", not a theory about advaita, but something really happening, something genuine. Folks seem to be scared of that.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 11:03
seeker's picture

The point you can start using force

Indeed all mental content. From which perspective does it look like a zombie? from the perspective of the personality, of the illusionary. Take a sample mental content you think should not be chased out and explore why do you think so.

At some advanced point, the sadhka can and should use a brutal force without having the mind provoked or strengthened. The frontal fight at that point still should be handled in a creative way that at this point you are sensitive enough to naturally know it. It is a point where the mind is weak enough that you can control it.

It is hard to explain in words. It is evident in the practice. You suddenly find the mind ceasing to fight after years of long meditations, yoga and especially total daily constant acceptance. You find it one day being there like a jelly waiting for you to mold it instead of it molding you, to control it instead of it controlling you. You await its rebellion reaction against and instead it obeys, you suspect that it is yet one of its tricks but instead you just finds nothingness. A wonderful and unexpected point. Then and only then you can use power and will.

seeker | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 17:56
Phroggy's picture

Look more closely, please.

"Indeed all mental content. From which perspective does it look like a zombie? from the perspective of the personality, of the illusionary. Take a sample mental content you think should not be chased out and explore why do you think so."

Your wife's birthday. Where you live. Your password to gurusfeet.com.
It's fashionable to view the mind as the enemy, but this would be a mistake. Even thinking (GASP!) is required at times. Mind's content as such is not the problem. The 'problem' is attachment to those thoughts, in particular, the thought of being a person. This is what sets the mind spinning, not the fact that there is content. Besides, you cannot empty the mind of any content. The only method I'm aware of is electro shock therapy, and that's generally only temporary. (That, too, may turn you into a zombie)

"It is a point where the mind is weak enough that you can control it."

Who can control it? Mind?
The mind does not weaken (if you're lucky) I assume you mean ego.

"It is evident in the practice. You suddenly find the mind ceasing to fight after years of long meditations, yoga and especially total daily constant acceptance. You find it one day being there like a jelly waiting for you to mold it instead of it molding you"

If you pay attention to what is occurring, you find that mind is neither trying to control you, nor is it fearing being controlled by you. Since you identify with mind, it IS you. The division between controller and controlled is only happening in a part of the mind called ego, while the more fundamental aspects of mind go on functioning spontaneously as they always have, completely ignoring ego's valiant battle with something.

Since mind is not at war with ego and pays it no attention, it seems to ego as though it is resisting being controlled, but it is only ego's delusion that it can control something that makes it seem that it has failed. Mind functions according to it's conditioning, what it 'knows' to be true in it's experience. This functioning changes only as conditioning changes, and your years of meditation, Yoga and your intention to accept, have revealed to mind a certain degree of futility. IOW, mind's conditioning has been changed such that it begins to believe that ego being somewhat silent is a better way for it to get what it wants, which is just to be happy. However, ego does not want to let go of control, and so it writes a story about how it can now control the mind after years of 'successful' practice. This may result in stagnation.

It's the one who believes it can gain control through practice who is slowly winding down in spite of itself,(not mind at large) but there will come a time when this will have to be recognized, and ego will have to relinquish control.

Phroggy | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 19:03
seeker's picture

In order to look closely you

In order to look closely you need to throw away the words and complicated analysis... Believe me, you will then realize what I am pointing to...

seeker | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 20:58
Omkaradatta's picture

Nonsense

You typed many words yourself, above, so why should Phroggy or I throw away any words? You do so, if the interest is in being empty of all mental content. Shall we never expect any postings from you again? ;-).

P.S. -- you said: "Then and only then you can use power and will."

Power and will? Find a genuine guru who says this has anything at all to do with spirituality. "Willpower" is pure ego, therefore you've separated off completely from the reality into deepest dream.

Half the mind divided off and controlling the other half? "Me" controlling "it?" Being locked up in an institution really may not be far off, friend -- sublimating the ego is dangerous. Release it instead, let it out, let it go. Open up, be free, be at peace.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 00:42
seeker's picture

Leave the acrobatics of words

Leave the acrobatics of words and instead sit and meditate and you will quickly understand what I mean. What do you have to lose?

Besides this I have no much new to add.

seeker | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 00:47
Omkaradatta's picture

Why should I?

Why should I meditate? I'm happy, fulfilled and contented, and the mind is silent (when it's appropriate to be). Formal meditation would be a comical waste of time. Besides, I *like* the mind ;-). It's fun... it's an entertainment to watch what it comes up with.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 01:37
dank's picture

meditation

I really hope for your own sake that you are only joking in what you wrote above otherwise your mind deserves adoration for being so instrumental in fooling you in the most critical aspect.

dank | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 10:55
Phroggy's picture

Ego has taken control

I can't make it any simpler for you because your mind has seriously complicated matters. I know exactly what you're 'pointing to'. You're pointing to a story you wrote in your head about how you can sucessfully control your mind, and this story keeps ego safe as the all-important controller. It's that ego, which has been given permission to control, that keeps you from looking at what I'm saying to see if it's so. Get serious about your spirituality and you'll begin to see through ego's games.

Phroggy | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 04:41
nancy pro's picture

Time for kick boxing

Smart description - I agree - another jail-related allegory I once heard: consistently and earnestly filing and filing the mind wall with the nail file of acceptance without giving up and without despair and then one day when it turns thin enough, it's time to punch the weak mind wall with a kick box and go beyond. A wonderful joyful moment.

But beware not to kick the wall too soon when it is still thick and strong, you will only injure yourself and it will be impossible to continue the delicate art of filing with an injured hand.

nancy pro | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 01:59
Phroggy's picture

Hand boxing

Then maybe the kicking should be done with the feet instead of the hands? :)~

The odd and wonderful thing about any 'spiritual success' is that there's nobody acknowledging it as a 'wonderful, joyful moment' or anything else, because there is no one who has succeeded. All such 'advances' happen in your absence, BECAUSE of your absence, and so are only noticed down the road a bit, and rather blandly, by their conspicuous absence. You are not responsible for causing any spiritual advance,and so you are not present to celebrate.

IOW, unless you are deluding yourself, you will never think, 'Yes! I have removed my attachments!' or 'WooHoo! I have surrendered ego.' and you certainly won't think 'Yippie! I have found the Peace that passes all understanding.' There will be nobody there that understands, just Peace.

Phroggy | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 05:00
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"Spiritual advances"

"All such 'advances' happen in your absence, BECAUSE of your absence, and so are only noticed down the road a bit, and rather blandly, by their conspicuous absence."

Actually, they can be noticed 'suddenly' and not necessarily so blandly either -- in my view, this is what the typical "awakening experience" is about. I've described it before as similar to looking down and realizing you've lost a buncha weight, that you're skinny, and it's like "woah!"

Then again, it could probably be noticed incrementally and blandly, too. Perhaps that would be the best way, as it would minimize the likelihood of "enlightenment sickness" or "the stink of enlightenment" (an all too familiar subject around here, after early-this-year ;-).

"You are not responsible for causing any spiritual advance,and so you are not present to celebrate."

It's been described numerous times throughout the ages as "the grace of God", and perhaps that's the best possible description. There's certainly nothing to envy about "spiritual advances", as they require no effort and aren't a success story at all. More like a failure. A failure to successfully be 'me'.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 05:20
Phroggy's picture

~

"Actually, they can be noticed 'suddenly' and not necessarily so blandly either -- in my view, this is what the typical "awakening experience" is about."

Yes, I wasn't referring to Awakening to Truth but rather the dissolving of various aspects of non-truth that we refer to as spiritual advancement or progress. This 'dissolving' nature distinguishes it from Self Realization, or any genuine realization or intuitive clarity, which does occur suddenly (timelessly) and is quite noticable.

Phroggy | Tue, 11/18/2008 - 08:42
george's picture

Very well said

I agree. This is the way it goes based on experience.

george | Mon, 10/05/2009 - 13:41
lalo's picture

:-)

I like the way it is written, I like the direct tone, I find it true and very effective this way.

lalo | Fri, 01/16/2009 - 22:55
Qumi's picture

cruel practic

As long as people believe in absurdities, they will continue to
commit atrocities

Voltraire

Qumi | Tue, 01/20/2009 - 05:17
solomon's picture

not at all

what are u talking about???

solomon | Tue, 01/20/2009 - 15:14
Mind's picture

Please dont be harsh on your

Please dont be harsh on your mind.Mind is so innocent that it made your every belief true.You have been feeding it beliefs since u r born so naturally it is accustomed to it.Now tell your mind that all beliefs are wrong...it may not agree at once it takes time be patient love your mind .Mind may act spontaneously bcoz beliefs became a habit and habits die hard.Tender care and awareness is required.

Mind | Fri, 02/13/2009 - 17:18
kalgo's picture

stop being a sissy

Excellent piece! It feels like it talks to deeper levels of the self.

It reminds me of something I heard from a remarkable teacher once, he said something in the sort of: at some point when your mind is weak enough you should stop being a sissy and start being forceful, enough with the fooling around.

kalgo | Fri, 02/13/2009 - 19:37
carlito santo's picture

Precise and brilliant

Goddamn this is so brilliant and precise. And so powerful, I don't know how, maybe the decisive pseudo-violent tone or that it presses exactly the right buttons.

I adore the finale: "And if the bustards are still insisting on staying, pull your gun and shoot them in the head, right between the eye brows, in the third eye."- the connotation to the third eye is brilliant.

carlito santo | Mon, 06/15/2009 - 10:33
george's picture

An important essay

This is a very important essay in the very fact that it sheds the fear and ideological resistance to doing and effort and even to "self brutality".

There are many who misunderstand certain paths and hence advocate no effort, no doing and you can clearly see that they are in complete stagnation (until they usually abondon this belief to something more balanced and sane), others simply come with metaphysical or existential doctriones and arguments why one is not the doer and therefore should not do and so on while in other parts of life they do and put effort. Others (mainly neo advaitans) confuse perspectives of absolute reality and relative reality and try to apply the non doing from the absolute perspective on the relative perspective.

While in first stages, one should be careful with doing and effort as they may instigate resistance by the mind and may be actually tricks of the mind, soon on the path, when mind is weak enough one should wake up and consciously activate volition, force, effort and will power until when the boat sails by its own.

george | Mon, 10/05/2009 - 13:49
Toltec Logic's picture

clarity with action

Of course we do not grant any respite to insidious ills, however it is first necessary to know precisely what is wrong. "Action with clarity is always based on understanding...

Restoration of the celestial
within the temporal is the return
of basic nature to natural innocence

Toltec Logic | Sun, 02/07/2010 - 21:24