Spiritual Path

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In even spiritual world most of the people are just trying to put their words(so called their truth)in the mouth of others.
They do not understand that the TRUTH can not be given to any one(no body can give TRUTH to any one).The TRUTH has to be searched by an individual.The only thing that can be given is right path and if right path is given, then individual will find his/her TRUTH by his/her own.If TRUTH is to be given in such a easy way then each one borrow/take it and then search for TRUTH will be no longer in this world.One has to search TRUTH by own.At least in this spiritual world one should have liberty for his/her inner search.It is not materialistic science that one do invention & rest enjoy the benefit.Truth is very very personal,one can point towards it but others has to search for it in their inner self.
OM



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What is "right path"? What is the right path to get to where you already are? How long is this path to nowhere? How long does it take to get to this moment? What separates you from the Truth of your being is the distance of a thought. It's ego that wants the path to be long, arduous, and hopefully unending.

Are there things to be looked at? Certainly, but these things have nothing to do with Truth, just your own delusions, and where do you have to go in order to notice your own self delusions? Is there a path to get to where you can see what you don't want to see? If you need a mirror to look into, it is all around you. As Omkar says, life is the path. Just pay attention.

Phroggy | Tue, 10/28/2008 - 20:02
Omkaradatta's picture

Neither

There is no truth, nor is there a path. Does this frighten you? The truth is too simple and the way too near for anything to be given by others, particularly as a general-purpose recommendation. Of course, people are free to try whatever path they like to try, and they will if they want to. That isn't the issue at all. Nobody is discouraging anybody to take a path, nor is anyone being discouraged to recommend a path. Sometimes I'll recommend "Just BE" or self-enquiry, which can help with 'preparation'.

Nisargadatta: "The aim is to awaken yourself to the faith in the self, 'I am'. That is the entire purpose."

P.S. you said something about Krishnamurti not succeeding in awakening anybody. Same thing goes essentially for Sri Ramana and Sri Nisargadatta. No words uttered will do it, no path given will do it. Only the desire of the disciple will awaken them, or lack of desire for the world and achievements and paths. All spiritual pursuit is ultimately worldly.

If you want to awaken a desire to say "Om Tat Sat" while looking at Arunachala and hoping for enlightenment, you can do it. All paths do nothing but awaken more desires for something in the future.

"Truth is very very personal,one can point towards it but others has to search for it in their inner self."

You're right, and this is why there isn't a path.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 10/28/2008 - 21:22
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Frightening ?

Frightening? What is that ? I do not know such things.It may be for you not for me as I am not to loose any thing nor going to gain any thing,may be you my dear.Keep it for you,it will help you.There is no frightening to me,more over i am not concerned with your so called Truth.Its all theoretical aspect which you are emphasizing here,such type of so called Truth are easily available in the books.If you think that Truth can be achieved only by reading books,then it is just bee fooling self & other one.It is like that a blind man is claiming to see the world,if he claims so,will people agree with him?,if yes then that is there point of view & let it be.People are much more intelligent than we think,let them decide what is right & what is wrong.If you have done your doctorate then no one is concerned with that,they will go by their own and will go step by step.No one can understand the level of doctorate until he do their Graduation & post Graduation,it need level,the level of understanding.Until & unless one goes through practical no body can understand the true theory.Yes without practical they can memorize it, & that Truth is of just in memories ,not in his/her life.If you say there is Bliss in life,no body will agree with it until & unless he/she feel it practically.
We should be more practical then following others word.Theories may make a person scholar not an Enlightened one.
At last if there is no Truth then all our enlightened One were fools?
OM

madan_gautam | Wed, 10/29/2008 - 13:24
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Okey Dokey ;-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/29/2008 - 15:58
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"Frightening? What is that ? I do not know such things"

Yesterday, a similar question was asked on another forum. "What is this thing you call Buddha?" I told him it was a new plushy that's all the rage this year and will be the hot item for Christmas and that he should be sure to get his before the rush.

It seemed the only appropriate response to such disingenuous, nonintegrous, posturing ignorance.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/29/2008 - 17:33
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Buddha plushies

Do they sell out as fast as Care Bears? Drop one in the mail, addressed to "Omkaradatta" ;-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Thu, 10/30/2008 - 06:14
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If you meet a plushy on the road, kill it!

It may be too late already. I heard a rumor that it was a limited edition of One. :)~

Phroggy | Thu, 10/30/2008 - 08:27
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Path & Ignorance

Here some one is following the teachings of Maharaj Nisargadatta (with out meeting HIM & without being disciple of HIM, so claimed follower)& some one is follower of teachings of Krishnamurti(in person).
They are the followers of teachings ,but without realization of true meaning of those teachings & without realization of self.
I would like to ask what does it mean a follower?
By me a follower is that who follow the path.
The path of teaching.
But they are adamant here that they do not have path & have attained Truth.
Truth ? really........?
One of them as a expression of anger has removed me from his soul mate list.This really shows that he has attained the Truth.:) :) :) :)
We are here for no business as others are doing.We are here to exchange our experiences & words as a sincere spiritual being.By deleting as a soul mate is childish play & then we claim ourselves Enlightened or achieving the Truth.
This is all ignorance & arrogance with lots of ego(The I)
I have to say much more,just waiting for right time.
What would you say?
OM SHANTI OM

madan_gautam | Thu, 10/30/2008 - 15:58
Omkaradatta's picture

What would you say?

Only that you cannot know over the Internet whether the Truth is realized here or not (even 'in person' it can only be confirmed by a jnani), so to declare that it isn't the case is ignorance. You can't verify it via a text medium, or maybe not at all.

And also... it doesn't matter here what you think. Only guarantee is that "you think" something ;-) The mind keeps on spinning. Here's wishing the best for you, that it can be quieted and you find joy and fulfillment and peace.

P.S. go type "Omkaradatta" under 'find your guru' at top of page for my history and profile. I would be happy to chat with you via telephone or Email, or have coffee/tea if you visit the Seattle, WA. area.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Fri, 10/31/2008 - 03:52
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Guru ugliness

Assuming one of the characters in your story is me, your lies have made it necessary for me to respond. I am not a follower of Krishnamurti, but I am familiar with his teachings and thought it appropriate to offer another perspective. What I offered was the "true meaning" of some of those teachings, which you seemed to not grasp.

I have not said that I do not have a path. I am here exploring spirituality as a 'student', but most certainly not your student. Again, what I offered was my perspective that there is not a path that leads one to Truth, but only to the ending of various self created delusions, and so this 'path' does not actually go anywhere. There is no path to Truth and very often the 'path' becomes yet another delusion.

I have not said that I have attained Truth, (Who can attain Truth?) and have said the opposite enough times that I'm weary of repeating myself. To falsely assign such a claim to someone seriously compromises his ability to function in an open discussion on a forum such as this, and I can only assume that is your intention. I would ask you to show where you have seen me "adamantly claim that I have attained Truth", but experience has shown that you lack the integrity to justify your own claims.

I agree. "Ignorance, arrogance and lots of ego" is what's going on here, and I'm sorry to be involved in it to the extent I am.

Phroggy | Thu, 10/30/2008 - 20:30
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Lumping together

Sorry, Phroggy, I think you're getting lumped together with Omkaradatta (and vice-versa) :-p. I guess it's the result of us being casual friends, although that doesn't justify it.

The only reason I claimed to have realized Truth is that there was an open request in another blogging for input from anyone who has realized it. I responded openly in kind. Perhaps it was a mistake, but it doesn't matter.

Here is another voice asserting that Phroggy has not claimed to have realized the truth. Omkaradatta HAS claimed it, and is listed too in the Guru section of this website.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Fri, 10/31/2008 - 03:36
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Somnambulistic bipeds

Thanks, and of course it's not your fault. Equally obvious is that it's my expectation that folks will try to understand what I write instead of reading what they want to hear that results in my frustration. I do know how it is after all, I'm just not always at peace with it, which is no doubt why I keep encountering it and don't just walk away.

I started a thread this morning on another forum, following a lot of disagreement. It was a long post and an attempt to clarify that there are different 'paths' with different intentions, and that there's no reason we can't accept that and stop arguing with each other. What followed was some of the nastiest stuff I've seen on the forums, apparently because they took my olive branch to be a hammer.

I edidted the post, deleting everything I had written and leaving this:

Peace........

Phroggy | Fri, 10/31/2008 - 04:19
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Being at peace with it

You're probably not at peace with it because it reflects the remaining resistance in you. After all, there's nothing outside the Self -- we cannot touch 'others' directly, because they aren't there (as otherness). I definitely understand, and it sounds like encountering this resistance is still a good pointer to your own.

P.S. there are ways of approaching this talk that generate a lot less (or even no) resistance, and the fact that you say "I'm not here to make friends" and such tends to verify the above. You know folks don't care for a "take no prisoners" approach, yet you persist in it. That says here that it's about 'you'.

Omkaradatta | Fri, 10/31/2008 - 06:21
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Yeah, there's no mystery, really, and no good reason to make it somebody else's issue. Maybe I just like getting indignant about it now and then. Hehe. Maybe it's good. Sometimes getting pissed off at my resistance leads to a letting go.

Phroggy | Fri, 10/31/2008 - 06:44
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indeed!

and this is the main pitfall that organized religions fall into.

I also see many spiritual people that fall in that pitfall, you can identify them easily by their strong affiliation to some one doctrine (e.g. advaita, Buddhism etc.) or to to some one guru (e.g. osho, ramakrishna, papaji etc.)

sisi | Sat, 11/01/2008 - 08:16
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> One has to search TRUTH by

> One has to search TRUTH by own.

One can also question whether Truth is a thing out there to be sought. Perhaps Truth has already appeared, right in front of you.

Stuart
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Sun, 09/13/2009 - 01:48
Phroggy's picture

Perhaps You ARE that Truth.

Perhaps You ARE that Truth. ;)

Phroggy | Sun, 09/13/2009 - 05:40
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Yes...

Yes... it cannot 'appear in front of you'.

In fact, except for 'the content of thought' (e.g the person), what appears in front of you, is you. The perceiver is the perceived. One's outside is one's inside, and one's inside is one's outside.

There is nothing that is not me. So, where is the 'center'? Center of what? :-).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 09/13/2009 - 08:28
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The Path: Eath is Dual, Physical and Spiritual

Madan,
There's much truth in what you said, most people are attempting to control others. There are those who say there is no path nor truth but how did they discover that? Can they give testimony as to how they arrived at that consciousness? If they can't, they are only attempting to get others to concur with their beliefs [they do not know]. Once one has entered the path consciously they only present themselves which causes others' curiosity to attract them to inquire as to why they are. All they can do is give the inquirers the benefit of their experience, what one learns is for them to share, but most importantly, how they arrived at their conclusions. In so doing, you give them ideas as what to expect in discovering for themselves their path and truth.

My experiences suggest earth is a plane where the path it the process of integrating the physical with the spiritual. It began with our first incarnation as earth's first form of life and culminates when we become what is termed angels or holy ghost during our last incarnation as man.

There is no right path except to the individual, has been my findings. Every path anyone takes gets them to the place where they become angels or holy ghosts. That's the illusion, believing only one path gets us through earth's plane when they all have the same end. The difference is one incarnated as a rich man with another a poor one, one being raped and another the rapist, one a killer and another being killed, yet; before any is qualified to become an angel they have to have experienced every attribute of every other man. When we enter man we are usually the opposite of who we are when becoming angels. Thus, the illusion that others are not on the path of transcendence is deceiving everyone except those who know they are in their finial incarnation.

Truth is known through the consciousness of our experiences where we recognize the opposites and their joining points. strong>Truth is, opposites or magnifiers exists, as well as the joining of the two, and until we recognize them in everything existing we do not know truth nor are we in our paths consciously.
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Have you questioned your beliefs? Reason the different concepts until all pros and cons are integrated into the 64,800 degrees of your vision.
--Elijah "The NatureBoy"--

Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 04/28/2011 - 13:26