Spiritual Ego and the Bliss Bubble

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What is "bliss bubble"?

Can you elaborate on what you mean? what is "bliss bubble"?

"Spiritual Ego" I know. It is said to be one of the most dangerous types of ego. Dangerous in the sense that it is so tricky and deceiving (to the person himself), dangerous in the sense that you can pass eons and only have this last blockade against realization, dangerous in the sense that so many of us, when and if are reaching advanced stages, catch this virus...

There is HIV, there is HPV and there is HSEV (Human Spiritual Ego Virus)... :-)

shond | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 16:06
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A joke about spiritual ego

Two Rabbi’s are in the Synagogue each day, saying their prayers: “Oh God, I am nothing, I am nothing”.

A janitor goes about his cleaning each day. Then one day he decides to join them. The janitor sits behind them and prays: “Oh God, I am nothing, I am nothing.” One of the Rabbi’s turns to the other and whispers “Look who thinks he is nothing”.

abra | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 17:29
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Re; Spirutual ego and the bliss bubble

Santthosh
Hi Sundra,
Ego represents duality.There is only one ego, which is physical based. Yogic bliss is based on ego. Since yogi experiences ego as a person. But in spiritual sense, the bliss is non dual nature of the self. For illustration it is like deep sleep. Deep sleep is unconscious bliss,where, the mind or duality is absent.When the mind consciously enters its non dual state in the midst of duality, through wisdom, it is non dual bliss. The ultimate reality.

The yogic bliss is impermanent, as soon as yogi comes out samadhi he is again in the clutches of duality. But the spiritual bliss is eternal, because it is based on the self.The author of the yogic bliss is ego. The author of the spiritual bliss is the self, which is spirit or Ataman.
With respect and regards
Santthosh
Have a blissful time.

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 19:12
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How do you know?

How do you know?

banana | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 19:34
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Re: How do you know?

Santthosh
Hi banana,
Thank you for your response.
I want to ask you some questions
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, YOU ARE BANANA?
AND WITH WHAT YOU KNOW, YOU ARE BANANA?
IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THEN WITH SAME THING, WHICH KNOWS YOU AS BANANA. THE SAME THING WHICH KNOWS ME, KNOWS, WHAT I KNOW.
O.K.
TAKE CARE
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 20:48
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experience is your only tool

Maybe I didn't explain myself well. I think someone here in the comments meant the same thing.

Let me explain:

The only tool we may have to validate theories firsthand, unfortunately, is personal experience. Indeed, this tool can be also misleading sometimes but hey, we have no other.

So my question is: Is what your wrote stems from your personal experience?

Someone can say "Jupiter is made of cheese and therefore it is white". I cannot validate that Jupiter is made of cheese as currently I cannot travel to Jupiter therefore it is a theory for me and therefore useless. Nevertheless, I may be willing to accept this statement as valid if the sayer is actually an astronaut and happened to travel to Jupiter once...

This is an important issue, I will copy it to a blog post.

banana | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 21:09
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Re; Experience is the only tool

Santthosh
Hi banana,
You are great, after the Alexander, the great.Since we all are not aware of the fact that, we are an experince within another experince. The mind is an experince, which contains I and you and the universe. Since we limit the mind to the physical entity, we forget the fact that our body is an experince, within the experince of duality or mind. Until and unless we struggle to unfold the truth as an individual physical entity, separate from the world, we remain in the doubts and confusion.

The mind which is an experince not an experincer. Whatever is with in the mind, that is, the person and his world, bound to be an experince. The invisible experiencer[WITNESS] of the mind has to be traced. The mind is in the form of waking or dream experince. If there is no mind, then there is no experince. Therefore it is evident that, the experiencer or the witness of the mind, can remain with or without, the experince. For illustration, in deep sleep there is no mind, thus there is no experince.

When I am not my own experince, how can I take authorship of the invisible entity, which is experiencing me and perceives the world, as a person. Thus if I take authorship as my doing, it will be a false claim. Therefore the whole of my experince along with the world, in which I and you and others exists, is of the self, which is the witness of the mind, or waking or dream. Thus the mind is the experince of the self.

Thus the onus is on you to prove that the burden is on the individual physical entity.

The question based on the wrong entity is of no use. Therefore, you have to make sure of the fact that, whether 'I', is the physical body or 'I ,is something other than the physical body.

Otherwise find what is it that, functions as body and perceives the world, as a person,without that invisible entity the body cannot function and perceive the world.

If you trace the invisible entity, then you will know the individual experince is not of yours, but of the invisible entity. Therefore you yourself can decide, who has to take the authorship of individual experiences. If you make little mental effort through inquiry and reasoning, you will able to move towards the effortless state which is natural state of the mind.

Instead of asking all these questions, I suggest you to question your self: what is it that functioning as body and perceives the world as Banana. If banana is not the experince of banana, then what is it, that experiences itself as Banana? These seeds of doubts will help you to peel the banana and, there will be no banana[ILLUSION] left, only non dual reality will prevail as ultimate truth, which we call it spirit or Ataman. Thus, it for you to discover and realize. I cannot realize it for you.
I like you Banana, because banana is my favorite.
Take care
With respect and regards
Santthosh.

santthosh kumaar | Tue, 07/29/2008 - 06:45
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What?

Santtosh,
Your comments sound like the ramblings of a fundamentalist.
They offer no real help or guidance, just a fixed worldview.
Have you considered the possibility of expanding your horizons?

SriSriYogiBaba | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 19:37
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Re; WHAT?

Santthosh
Hi Sandra,
It is your opinion and it is a great opinion. The guidance and help is required only to those, who have the intense urge to know the self, which is formless eternal identity. On the base of the true self, the bliss and ego are mere illusion.

Expanding horizons is possible only in the illusion, which everyone of us experiencing it as reality. Since everyone thinks, their accepted truth as reality. Because their worldview is based on the false self, and they comment on the base of false self.

There is no point in arguing, because, the base of argument is on different pole, it neither helps me to guide you, nor you will be able to help and guide me.I appreciate your services to help others to expand their horizons.Keep it up.

I thank you for your kind opinion.
Take care,
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
Santthosh

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 20:35
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Dear Santtosh, It's a nice

Dear Santtosh,

It's a nice reply and reveals a little more of your humanity.
Still rather presumptuous and condescending though.
You have no idea about my urge to know the self. I have studied Vedanta with some great teachers, including your beloved Dayananda. This means of knowledge is effective when skillfully used as a mirror, rather than a whipping stick.
Evidently you seek to expound your teachings to others, within the illusion as you call it, therefore horizons are relevant.
Tell you what, I'll keep it up if you keep it down a bit.

SriSriYogiBaba | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 20:50
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Re: It is nice

Santthosh
Hi Sandra,
Your reply shows the sincerity and honesty, which has come out from your core of your existence.The illusion can be understood only when the mind learns to view and judge the worldview, on the true base.

Paul Brunton was great seeker of truth.When he went to seek guidance from Kanchi,Sri, Sankarcharya a great Jnani, he was so honest, he said: "the truth you are seeking is not with me, please go to Ramana Maharshi". So sincere and honest advise from such a great personality.

Your study of Vedanta is meant for religionists. Vedanta was modified to suit the mass mind set, by Sri, Sankara a great Advith Master on the base of Vedas to uplift the vedic culture and Sanatan Dharama[Hinduism] ,which were in ruins in the clutches of Buddhism.

The true Vedanta expounded by Sri Sankara and his param guru ,Goudpada was lost. But still we have to be thankful to all Indian gurus and yogis, who makes people think of the self.

It is necessary for the seeker to do his own home work,and verify the validity of all the claims,rather than blindly believe, what others expound as knowledge,till, the un- contradicted truth is obtained.

The seeker must have the courage of Buddha to accept the truth and reject the untruth.Since Buddha rejected religion ,idea of god and scriptures,therfore, it is evident that, he has gone through every aspect and verified and found them to be inadequate and useless for the pursuit of truth.

Even teachings of Buddhism is mixed up with regional culture and traditions of the local religion, wherever it existed. Thus to get the full essence from Buddhism is very difficult.

I may not have a skill,since whatever comes out of me comes out spontaneously.Truth is bitter pill. It becomes very difficult for the seeker to accept it at first, because of his inherited conditioning.Gradually he will be able to grasp it as he moves on.

It is essential to study the life and spiritual ventures of the great seekers like, Paul Bruton,S.S Cohen and many others, rather then receive half cooked food from others.

Neither the stick,nor the mirror,nor the skill is required, when the mind becomes receptive to receive the knowledge by dropping all the accumulated dross.

The illusion is present only in ignorance where, 'I' and you are separate entity.In truth, there is neither 'I' nor you, nor, the illusion. Therefore there is no teaching,no teacher,no student as Papaji said.

Truth pursuit is a very personal journey. It is very munch necessary to verify minutely, on your own, what is truth, and what is not truth, before accepting anything as truth.
And move a head to realize the fact that, the illusion exists as reality, only on base of your false identity.

For the mind, which is aware of the truth, there is no illusion, eventhough,it is in the midst of illusion. Because it is fully aware of the fact that, the substence and the witness of the illusion, is formless non dual spirit. Thus there is no second thing, other than Ataman.Hence it is non duality.

I do not claim myself to be guru or teacher. I am only a spiritual guide, for those who sincerely seek guidance, to overcome, the obstacles on the journey. F.S is only guidance for the seeker of truth. Only communication purpose I call it teaching.

I admire you sincerity to study Veadnata under the great master, a true incarnation of love.Keep it up and move a head . Your sincerity will surly yield results.
Take care. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings in any sense, I do not mean it.My nature of expression is like that.

With respect and regards
Santthosh.
keep in touch.

santthosh kumaar | Wed, 07/30/2008 - 02:30
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I agree with sundara

No offense Santosh but I tend to agree with sundara.

I think the focal point is: is your writing totally based on personal experience? if so, then I take my words back and start reading your blogs.

But if it is not so then it is yet just another theory, yet just another doctrine, yet just another religion.

abra | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 20:54
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Re: I agree with sundra.

Santthosh
hi abra,
You words are like honey. Thank you for your kind response. I also went through lots of hardship and tried most of the paths and teachings, but noting was able quench my spiritual thirst. My only intension is to guide help the seekers,since I have realized the fatter and obstacles on the pursuit of truth.It is not my theory or my personal imagination.

You do not require religion,theory or scriptures or god glorification or yogic practice, to know the truth. Religious and yogic truth are individual, not universal.Why and how, you will know as you start your pursuit of truth.

Only thing is required is intense urge, and receptive mind and courage to accept the truth, and reject the untruth.

There is nothing to strive physically for. Only through mental effort through, inquiry, analysis and reasoning on the true base, the mind will become receptive and start accepting the truth and rejects the untruth. When only the truth prevails, it is non dual natural state of the mind.

In F.S teachings there is no scope for any theories. Since you have to investigate on your own, what is mind, and the substence of the mind. Nothing more.Since the truth is reveled in advance and you have to go on reflecting on it through inquiry and reasoning and get firm conviction what is truth and what is not truth. Once you get firm conviction you will be able to realize it in lesser time and effort.
I always advise the seekers to continue with their present path and go to the core of that teachings,only when they find it inadequate and useless then adopt F.S. You please go through all my blogs, then you will become aware what I am saying.
Take care
With respect and regards.
Santthosh

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 07/28/2008 - 21:43
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Bliss...

... is an interesting thing. At one point in spiritual practice, I was experiencing bliss constantly - it wouldn't stop, was actually getting painful.

It seems here that bliss is rejected in a subtle way by the 'nondual crowd' online, as though there were something wrong with it. Of course, bliss-seeking isn't what it's about, but does anyone really seek bliss? I have yet to run into anyone chasing bliss through spiritual practices, although clearly there could be a temptation to cling if it's encountered. My view is that if it happens, it's to be accepted, just as any other experience. It can be a phenomenon related to the relief of the burden of personality. I'll add a quote from my guru - Nisargadatta: "One is always bliss, never blissful".

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 08/27/2008 - 01:35
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fearing bliss

You are right.

We tacitly don't want bliss because we know that it means the loosing of our personality which we know very well and is full of pain and thus non-blissful. Loosing our personality means death.

we don't want it because of the fear we might loose that bliss later, the fear from the desire we may develop.

We equate bliss, from our current perspective, to being unrealistic and disconnected, otherwise how can one be blissful facing the world. Being in that disconnected state means for us loosing control, something else which we are fearing from.

And above all, we are conditioned to believe that real achievements come only with effort, pain and suffering so if we feel bliss on the path it may mean we did not make enough effort.

Nevertheless -
I sometimes have tiny glimpses of wonderful bliss and sometimes glimpses of peaceful serenity. I still prefer the serenity ones, i feel the serenity is the background.

lolita | Wed, 08/27/2008 - 06:33
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Thank you

Thank you, Lolita. I have seen glimpses of that human anomaly before, but never so clearly as I see it now. How utterly absurd, and it applies to any long term state of peace or contentment as well. There is a tiny voice that says,

"How dare you be at peace when the world is at war; content when the world is full of misery. If joy is found in the simplest things, what does that say about your foolish complexity? If contentment is found in stillness, what is the meaning of a half a century of moving around looking for something? Are you willing to be the most horrendous fool, the world's biggest failure. Make peace a glorious mission. Win your joy with a thousand tears or it has all meant nothing at all."

I would be a bigger fool for listening to that little voice.

Phroggy | Thu, 08/28/2008 - 01:52
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Long-term states...

> How utterly absurd, and it applies to any long term state
> of peace or contentment as well.

From here, it's well worth noting that no state is really long term (or short term, for that matter) - it's only Now.

The mind continually plays these games within its prison of time and space - how to allow a long-term state of peace when the world is at war, blah blah. What world is this? I see a computer screen, not a world at war. What long or short term state is this, when only this very moment is real? The absurdity is the imaginary taken seriously.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 08/28/2008 - 21:21
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beware.. omka is there to get you!

omka, every time someone dares to use some words referring to time dimension that is not NOW, you jump behind the tree and tell them off... in my opinion here and now, and also yesterday, you are too rigid and can allow yourself to move more freely between different perspectives

yes you are right, but yes, from a different point of view, valid as well, you need to loosen up and open your mind
(and please don't tell me that there is no such a thing as mind)

spirala | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 12:55
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Sorry

Sorry about that if I come across poorly -- the intent wasn't to tell anyone off, just to express a viewpoint.

I know Phroggy from another site, and so we have a 'history' (so to speak). I'm not usually that direct with everyone. He knows my perspective, where I'm coming from, etc.

P.S. I don't jump out from behind trees... I jump on top of you from above ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 14:55
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Which website if i may ask?

Which website if i may ask? (not that I am not happy and content here, just curiosity)

nancy pro | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 16:56
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Several different Yahoo groups...

My group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/omkaradatta

His girlfriend's Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/authenticspirituality

And the (in?)famous Nonduality Salon: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nondualitysalon

We've chatted before on several other groups as well... he was around in January when "it" happened here and I returned to the spiritual lists to chat with folks. This is the only spiritual website I'm frequenting anymore, tho.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 17:24
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ah yahoo groups

ah yahoo groups, yes i know them, been there for sometime but there was so much bla bla and too many fights that i abandoned it at some point...

nancy pro | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 17:26
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No more Yahoos

Yes, Nancy, I have abandomed all of them myself except for my gentle lady's site. I'm not certain why, but I've found much more sincerity and less ego on the non-Yahoo sites.

As far as Omkaras jumping down from the tops of trees, Tim is my friend even if we have our differences. There is an uncommon clarity present in him, but as someone implied, not much contextual flexibility. Everything we talk about has it's own context, and every bit of it can be dismissed from a larger context. To speak from the largest context is to remain silent, which I sometimes think is the best thing.

Phroggy | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 17:57
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this is beautiful

this is beautiful. cherish this friendship. it is more important than any differences.

nancy pro | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 21:09
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The largest context...

"To speak from the largest context is to remain silent"

You're right, but it doesn't matter. In 20 years these words will be long gone and forgotten, and it will still be Now ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 21:19
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A voice from above

What was that??...........I thought I heard a voice from the tops of the trees. Hehe.

Phroggy | Sun, 08/31/2008 - 21:32