Past lives only in the past?

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If time is in mind only, how come previous lives are always in the past? (I have never heard someone saying that he WILL be this and that in previous life)

Or maybe they are not?

Are there any references about this in the vedas?

Or in other spiritual texts?



Lee's picture

sisi

the mind is time.

previous- past- is the mind.

previous lives- mind. conceptual.

nothing happened.

Lee | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 21:44
Phroggy's picture

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Yup, if you want past lives, you have to invent them now. I suggest picking some famous, cool person rather than a murderer or sumthin. :)

Phroggy | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 22:17
sisi's picture

not enough

This is a very easy escape to throw everything into the mind including reincarnation but if you inspect carefully, the punch line which is the only new stuff you introduce is just based on a hypothesis while I inquire about direct experience.

That time is mind - realized by experience.
That there are "past" lives and it is not just one sprouting - testified and verified by many.
That reincarnation is just an illusion - a speculation.

I look for deeper options...

sisi | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 22:41
solo's picture

what you are looking for

Sisi - I think you'll find exactly what you are looking for in It's not previous lives, it's parallel lives.

solo | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 23:38
Phroggy's picture

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Yes, parallel lives. Six and a half billion of em. Hehe.
Whoops! I think the question just disolved.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:49
Omkaradatta's picture

Interesting...

"This is a very easy escape to throw everything into the mind"

Yes, and an easy escape is a good thing, isn't it?

Give me the peace/Silence beyond the mind anyday in lieu of the mind's ugly noise. The only reason I come here is to spread this message, otherwise I would happily remain silent (which may yet happen, as it seems no one is listening).

"That there are "past" lives and it is not just one sprouting - testified and verified by many."

Enlightenment consists of getting the 'many' out of your system, and realizing you are the One.

"I look for deeper options..."

Silence is the deepest option. Honest. The only other is "mental unrest" and non-acceptance in which questions are never satisfactorily answered. Eventually we learn they never will be.

The function of the mind is to endlessly create doubts, nothing more. Raise issues, and then seek out solutions. The solution is not to raise the issues.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:42
Phroggy's picture

Seek questions and you shall find them.

"Yes, and an easy escape is a good thing, isn't it?"

HA! But not so good for mind. The policeman who puts an end to crime is out of work.

"The function of the mind is to endlessly create doubts, nothing more. Raise issues, and then seek out solutions. The solution is not to raise the issues."

Zakly. Mind does not want real answers. Real answers end the mind because, as you say, mind's job is to make up questions. Real solutions dissolve problems. Real answers dissolve questions. Real Truth dissolves the maker of problems and questions.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:39
Phroggy's picture

If you meet an hypothesis on the road, kill it!

Where one is looking for the truth, there is no desire to escape. The notion of reincarnation is an attempt to escape mortality.

Hypothesis is not useful, but neither is experience. You experience yourself as a separate person, and yet your experience lies to you. You experience second hand the testimony of others who have had experiences, and you call this truth. Every experience imaginable has been had and somebody will testify that it's true because it was their experience. Experience is the illusion, and so how does one separate illusory experiences from true experiences?

Clarity, insight, realization is not an experience. You cannot point to it and say, one day in meditation, I had such and such an experience, and I know it's true because I experienced it. No, if you know it's true it's because you can look at it this very moment and see that it's true. Otherwise, it's just a memory; a story.

Perhaps you can look right now and see that time is a concept and the experience of time is formed in the mind. You cannot set that off to the side and say, well, but actual things happened in the past that are not being formed in the mind now. You don't know anything about some 'past', all you know is that you are experiencing a memory now. Likewise, you are creating an experience now. These are stories, movements in Consciousness that are happening now and part of the story is that they happened in the past, or they will happen in the future.

You do not even know that your memories arising now are 'yours', that your experience now is 'yours', and in fact they are not. The person who owns them is the biggest story of all; the greatest story on Earth being written right now. You'll never wrap your mind around this, and you'll never see it until you are willing to doubt the reality of your own experience. Experience consists of a movement in time. Where is time formed again? Yes, that's where you'll find all experience too. Nowhere else.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:17
Omkaradatta's picture

Beautifully stated.

"You cannot point to it and say, one day in meditation, I had such and such an experience, and I know it's true because I experienced it. No, if you know it's true it's because you can look at it this very moment and see that it's true. Otherwise, it's just a memory; a story."

QFT.

"Clarity, insight, realization is not an experience."

It's not knowledge, either, but rather "Knowingness" without knowing anything. From such wellsprings flow the wisdom of the ages.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:36
Phroggy's picture

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"It's not knowledge, either, but rather "Knowingness" without knowing anything. From such wellsprings flow the wisdom of the ages."

Also beautifully stated. Especially for a "childish first grader". Heheeee.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:43
Omkaradatta's picture

(potential) apology

BTW, I want to apologize to anyone in advance if they think I went too off-topic in this thread. "Pure nonduality" is all I discuss, and I tend to look for any excuse to talk about it... primarily because I've realized the incredible benefits inherent in giving up the mental search, and simply want to pass them along. It's out of goodwill for people, to help get rid of the mind's endless greed for answers. I don't mean to dismiss anyone's concerns, ever. That isn't why I post about this stuff.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 02:02
Lee's picture

Bravo Phroggy and Omkaradatta

GREAT POSTS!

Lee | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 15:27
dhorai's picture

dear u answered the million dollar question!

this is bible,,,,

jesus wording and sprit come as solace and succor for all
who beleive in him....

a past deed coming to all future impact by he himself being inside the believers....

if in past i change the verdict the whole society history lessons will collapse....

take care...

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Mon, 01/19/2009 - 14:13
mika | Fri, 05/15/2009 - 08:00
silencio's picture

Reincarnation is still within the mind's kingdom

Reincarnation is within the domain of relative truth which is maintained by the mind or rather by the collective mind and so time is valid in that domain.

silencio | Sun, 05/31/2009 - 08:23