Past lives only in the past?

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If time is in mind only, how come previous lives are always in the past? (I have never heard someone saying that he WILL be this and that in previous life)

Or maybe they are not?

Are there any references about this in the vedas?

Or in other spiritual texts?



Lee's picture

sisi

the mind is time.

previous- past- is the mind.

previous lives- mind. conceptual.

nothing happened.

Lee | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 21:44
Phroggy's picture

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Yup, if you want past lives, you have to invent them now. I suggest picking some famous, cool person rather than a murderer or sumthin. :)

Phroggy | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 22:17
sisi's picture

not enough

This is a very easy escape to throw everything into the mind including reincarnation but if you inspect carefully, the punch line which is the only new stuff you introduce is just based on a hypothesis while I inquire about direct experience.

That time is mind - realized by experience.
That there are "past" lives and it is not just one sprouting - testified and verified by many.
That reincarnation is just an illusion - a speculation.

I look for deeper options...

sisi | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 22:41
solo's picture

what you are looking for

Sisi - I think you'll find exactly what you are looking for in It's not previous lives, it's parallel lives.

solo | Mon, 12/22/2008 - 23:38
Phroggy's picture

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Yes, parallel lives. Six and a half billion of em. Hehe.
Whoops! I think the question just disolved.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:49
Omkaradatta's picture

Interesting...

"This is a very easy escape to throw everything into the mind"

Yes, and an easy escape is a good thing, isn't it?

Give me the peace/Silence beyond the mind anyday in lieu of the mind's ugly noise. The only reason I come here is to spread this message, otherwise I would happily remain silent (which may yet happen, as it seems no one is listening).

"That there are "past" lives and it is not just one sprouting - testified and verified by many."

Enlightenment consists of getting the 'many' out of your system, and realizing you are the One.

"I look for deeper options..."

Silence is the deepest option. Honest. The only other is "mental unrest" and non-acceptance in which questions are never satisfactorily answered. Eventually we learn they never will be.

The function of the mind is to endlessly create doubts, nothing more. Raise issues, and then seek out solutions. The solution is not to raise the issues.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:42
Phroggy's picture

Seek questions and you shall find them.

"Yes, and an easy escape is a good thing, isn't it?"

HA! But not so good for mind. The policeman who puts an end to crime is out of work.

"The function of the mind is to endlessly create doubts, nothing more. Raise issues, and then seek out solutions. The solution is not to raise the issues."

Zakly. Mind does not want real answers. Real answers end the mind because, as you say, mind's job is to make up questions. Real solutions dissolve problems. Real answers dissolve questions. Real Truth dissolves the maker of problems and questions.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:39
Phroggy's picture

If you meet an hypothesis on the road, kill it!

Where one is looking for the truth, there is no desire to escape. The notion of reincarnation is an attempt to escape mortality.

Hypothesis is not useful, but neither is experience. You experience yourself as a separate person, and yet your experience lies to you. You experience second hand the testimony of others who have had experiences, and you call this truth. Every experience imaginable has been had and somebody will testify that it's true because it was their experience. Experience is the illusion, and so how does one separate illusory experiences from true experiences?

Clarity, insight, realization is not an experience. You cannot point to it and say, one day in meditation, I had such and such an experience, and I know it's true because I experienced it. No, if you know it's true it's because you can look at it this very moment and see that it's true. Otherwise, it's just a memory; a story.

Perhaps you can look right now and see that time is a concept and the experience of time is formed in the mind. You cannot set that off to the side and say, well, but actual things happened in the past that are not being formed in the mind now. You don't know anything about some 'past', all you know is that you are experiencing a memory now. Likewise, you are creating an experience now. These are stories, movements in Consciousness that are happening now and part of the story is that they happened in the past, or they will happen in the future.

You do not even know that your memories arising now are 'yours', that your experience now is 'yours', and in fact they are not. The person who owns them is the biggest story of all; the greatest story on Earth being written right now. You'll never wrap your mind around this, and you'll never see it until you are willing to doubt the reality of your own experience. Experience consists of a movement in time. Where is time formed again? Yes, that's where you'll find all experience too. Nowhere else.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:17
Omkaradatta's picture

Beautifully stated.

"You cannot point to it and say, one day in meditation, I had such and such an experience, and I know it's true because I experienced it. No, if you know it's true it's because you can look at it this very moment and see that it's true. Otherwise, it's just a memory; a story."

QFT.

"Clarity, insight, realization is not an experience."

It's not knowledge, either, but rather "Knowingness" without knowing anything. From such wellsprings flow the wisdom of the ages.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 00:36
Phroggy's picture

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"It's not knowledge, either, but rather "Knowingness" without knowing anything. From such wellsprings flow the wisdom of the ages."

Also beautifully stated. Especially for a "childish first grader". Heheeee.

Phroggy | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 01:43
Omkaradatta's picture

(potential) apology

BTW, I want to apologize to anyone in advance if they think I went too off-topic in this thread. "Pure nonduality" is all I discuss, and I tend to look for any excuse to talk about it... primarily because I've realized the incredible benefits inherent in giving up the mental search, and simply want to pass them along. It's out of goodwill for people, to help get rid of the mind's endless greed for answers. I don't mean to dismiss anyone's concerns, ever. That isn't why I post about this stuff.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 02:02
Lee's picture

Bravo Phroggy and Omkaradatta

GREAT POSTS!

Lee | Tue, 12/23/2008 - 15:27
dhorai's picture

dear u answered the million dollar question!

this is bible,,,,

jesus wording and sprit come as solace and succor for all
who beleive in him....

a past deed coming to all future impact by he himself being inside the believers....

if in past i change the verdict the whole society history lessons will collapse....

take care...

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Mon, 01/19/2009 - 14:13
mika | Fri, 05/15/2009 - 08:00
silencio's picture

Reincarnation is still within the mind's kingdom

Reincarnation is within the domain of relative truth which is maintained by the mind or rather by the collective mind and so time is valid in that domain.

silencio | Sun, 05/31/2009 - 08:23
PranaBeats's picture

deeper options

Hello Sisi,

I agree that it is comfortable to rest on the idea that all is One to dismiss the will one has of understanding more subtle dynamics of the path to oneness. On this path we are confronted with the workings and concepts of reincarnation and this raises many questions that can of course absolutely be brushed off with a simple answer but do not provide satisfaction.

The simple answer is of course the most valid. Breathe. Relax. Let go. Be present Now :)

But... the mind is persistent.

I'll try to reply to the best of my experience and knowledge to what I understand to be your - and many others' - question. All that I will say here is my personal opinion and please take it with a grain of salt as it's not in alignment with most spiritual "theories".

Past lives are not connected to "our" past, even though we may experience them as a personal and individual sensation, which I have me, myself, egoically and personally experienced many times. "We" have never been anything else than what we are right now in this present moment. We are also, however, the product of karmic ramifications which attract to themselves these manifestations of "past" or "future" in the case of prophetic visions/dreams.

What exists as a past life is information stored in a karma database - some call it Akasha, but this highly misrepresents how I understand it to work - that we re-incarnate when we experience it, but it is still, and will always be, contained within the veil, Maya of what we understand to be Time.

I personally do not believe we have an individual soul that lives on to reincarnate into a new body. This has been promoted through the ages as a form of social and brain control in my opinion, very much in the style of "If you're good and do what I say, you will be rewarded with better lives/heaven". But karma has no morals.

"I" have never been anyone else in a "previous" life, nor will "I" be anyone in a future life. What "I" have and will experience is a karmic lesson manifested and connected to the moment I was/am/will live/ing in that dimensional space.

We manifest into this plane as a result of multiple waves of vibrations coming into harmony/dissonance and very complex combinations of this. Our way towards freedom resides in remembering the harmony beyond the density of form so that we can tune into the essence that carries us through existence.

This is as clearly as I can explain it in words... I apologise for the imprecisions but a true answer can only be an experiential answer, even though some clues to point you towards it may be helpful.

I hope this has been one :) If not, I'm happy to answer more or be dismissed.

Peace

"Trust allows you to navigate imagination beyond where shadows lie". Tony Samara

PranaBeats | Sat, 05/01/2010 - 19:14
Surya Kumar Mishra's picture

past living in past ===== a discussion

if you say past, present and future : they are as you have studied in your high school grammar.
if you by any means connect this with the life cycle of atman, then it has a different perspective.
As in the case of a municipality dog token, similarly when the soul departs from the super soul because of vibration, it has a token attached to it (similar to municipality dog token) and all its activities till it again mingles with the same super soul in time infinite, will be recorded in this token. This record does not pertain to mind. It pertains to atman only. It has no sense of time neither space. It is pure soul. It does not understand past, present or future as stated in High School Grammar.

OM TAT SAT !!!

Surya Kumar Mishra | Wed, 05/05/2010 - 09:29
agapuram's picture

Our past life experiences

Our past life experiences happen in the present tense not in the past or future tense. When we experience them they are here and now. Only when the experience is over, we think they are in the past. But they are actually in the present.

Yes, time exists only in the mind. But our past lives are always here and now.

agapuram | Sat, 04/23/2011 - 12:20
carlito santo's picture

It's just other lives because time is mind-created

Similar post with another angle that strenghten the conclusion that it's not past lives or future lives but just other lives out of the dimension of time which is a mind creation:

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/it-039-s-not-previous-lives-it-039-s-paral...

carlito santo | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 11:23
mrkotians's picture

past....????

Nice question... and very good answers...

mrkotians | Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:48