Meditation

madan_gautam's picture



Average: 4.9 (7 votes)

The greatest adventure in this world is "MEDITATION"
OM



nancy pro's picture

We are so lucky!

Indeed.

The problem is that before you taste it, you have a great fear of it. Most people on the globe, from birth to death, carry this enormous fear - it is the same fear of boredom, of doing nothing, the restlessness of not having an entertainment... This fear is the fear of the mind which ceases to exist with no activity, no content, no words, no thinking, no wonder it fears meditation so much... but this fear is also a fortunate sign for you that tells you that the mind still controls you almost completely... If you didn't have this sign then the control of the mind would be complete with no chance for you to recognize it and to try to go beyond, this is why this is a fortunate sign...

And after you taste it for sometime, get over the difficulties of adjusting to the new low vibe, overcome the fear, you manage one day to go beyond... You are amazed by the endless landscapes that lie there quietly beyond the door of the shady small house you were always hiding in, the limited mind... You are amazed by the clear sounds of profound yet simple understandings that cannot be conceived by the mind, that cannot be phrased in words, that have such a familiar distant fragrance of quality...

And it is so simple! Just get over the fear! Please, don't waste you time!

Indeed the greatest adventure. What a fortunate means. Like going first to India, you need to reinforce yourself with a little courage against the deep-rooted fear of the mind and go slowly slowly...

nancy pro | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 10:06
Omkaradatta's picture

I agree...

I agree, and yet some can (and do) express this "Silence". Nisargadatta, Rumi, U.G. Krishnamurti, J. Krishnamurti, Osho, Ramana Maharshi, et. al. (and even 'me' too!)... can and did/do express. From here, it has to do with living in this territory, instead of visiting it from time to time. The mind comes to undergo a mutation, a dramatic change to reflect the territory.

Mind is only a map. When we live in the territory, the map gets revised. Then, we can discuss with "like minded" folks. Those who have the old map, probably won't understand, those who are avoiding the mind and thinking you can't be "Silent" even while typing. But a few might.

Q: So all we are concerned with is the redemption of the mind?

Nisargadatta: What else? The mind goes astray, the mind returns home.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 13:03
shond's picture

Meditative daily life is

Meditative daily life is extremely important but I don't think there is a subsitute to formal isolated sitting meditation. Most teachers are saying so (and even "me' too :-).

I would not take into account the two krishnamurtis who both appear not to manage to leave behind them any realized/advanced followers, themselves admitting so toward the end of their life, and Jiddu Krishnamurti according to his biographies was very frustrated about it.

Osho, Ramana, Nisargadatta and others advocated meditation.

Osho - his many "active" meditations for beginners and passive meditations for advanced - the book of secrets, the orange book, etc.

Ramana - self enquiry is certainly a type of formal meditation. Plus, other comments and answers made by him in general about meditation.

Nisargadatta - Sitting and being/abiding in the "I Am" for long periods as he strongly advocates, when done correctly, with no analytical activity and earnestly as he proposes is a great meditation by itself.

Buddhist teachers - the powerful Vipassana meditation and many others including the zen meditations.

Yoga path - meditation is the core of the path, the asanas and pranayama are just meant to prepare you for being able to do the meditation with the least difficulties.

Kristof, Aurobindo, Gurdjieff, Eckhart Tolle... But truly I don't think these teachers advocating meditation should be the thing that should convince anybody but self experience. You realize the effectiveness of it so clearly after sitting for one hour in meditation, you are just different, everything is different, you understand things differently, you just sense that all the mind patterns that are so dominant in you regularly are temporarily suspended. I had this realization about the crucial importance of meditation after doing a Vipassana course.

shond | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 14:02
Omkaradatta's picture

Was this recently?

"I would not take into account the two krishnamurtis who both appear not to manage to leave behind them any realized/advanced followers,"

Well *I* would, and I did.

"I had this realization about the crucial importance of meditation after doing a Vipassana course."

Was this recently? If so, you're an extreme beginner to spirituality and I don't know if/why you think you have much to say about absolutes. What you know applies to you, not necessarily others. There's much 'blind leading the blind' here on this forum, IMO.

By all means, express AND meditate. But don't reject the mind -- that isn't acceptance.

"But truly I don't think these teachers advocating meditation should be the thing that should convince anybody but self experience."

Yes, all of spirituality is about self-experience. That's why "YOU should do this, YOU should do that" is a bunch of nonsense being propounded here on GurusFeet. Ego defines itself through creating otherness, 'you', so there can be a 'me'. Focus on your Self instead.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 15:15
barbara's picture

The ultimate medicine

The ultimate medicine, the least and the most you can do or more accurately undo. All else turns at some point in retrospective to be some trick of the mind.

barbara | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 13:27
Omkaradatta's picture

Whose retrospective?

Whose retrospective... yours? Perhaps 'contemplation' wasn't done correctly?

Nisargadatta: "It is a mental state caused by the 'I-am-the-body' idea. It can be removed by the contrary idea: 'I-am-not-the-body'. Both the ideas are false, but one removes the other. realise that no ideas are your own, they all come to you from outside. You must think it all out for yourself, become yourself the object of your meditation. The effort to understand yourself is Yoga. Be a Yogi, give your life to it, brood, wonder, search, till you come to the root of error and to the truth beyond the error."

Nisargadatta: "To see everything as imagination, born of desire, is necessary for self-realisation. We miss the real by lack of attention and create the unreal by excess of imagination. You have to give your heart and mind to these things and brood over them repeatedly. It is like cooking food. You must keep it on the fire for some time before it is ready."

Nisargadatta: "You believe the world to be objective, while it is entirely a projection of your psyche. That is the basic confusion and no new explosion will set it right. You have to think yourself out of it. There is no other way."

I rest my case. Why not stop seeing just what you want to see in the great gurus' teachings, and start reading all of it? Stop rejecting the mind. Accept yourself first, go within lovingly, not rejectingly.

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Omkaradatta | Mon, 12/01/2008 - 15:48
kamil's picture

Leave the quotations and

Leave the quotations and experience by yourself. Maharaj himself changed his perspective a few times since the talks documented in "I Am That" (e.g. to abide in the "I AM" / to transcend the "I Am" etc.).

You have nothing but your direct self experience any way you look at it and you have nothing but meditation to have this experience bypass the mind.

kamil | Mon, 12/08/2008 - 13:51
Phroggy's picture

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The only tool you have to bypass the mind is the mind. If you're using meditation to come to a deeper clarity beyond the mind, then it's excellent, but most folks are addicted to the feelings meditation produces and they can happily dream away for decades without having to face anything that's true. If you make truth/Truth your goal instead of the bliss of meditation, you might find mind relaxing in a genuine clarity without having to be controlled temporarily through some ego driven meditation technique.

Mind relaxes when it understands the futility of it's spinning, and yet most meditation doesn't care anything about mind's understanding. Mind is seen as the enemy and there is no consorting with the enemy.

Phroggy | Mon, 12/08/2008 - 19:19
madan_gautam's picture

True Mirror Image......& so on beyond your imigination and your

The only tool you have to bypass the mind is the mind. If you're using meditation to come to a deeper clarity beyond the mind, then it's excellent, but most folks are addicted to the feelings meditation produces and they can happily dream away for decades without having to face anything that's true. If you make truth/Truth your goal instead of the bliss of meditation, you might find mind relaxing in a genuine clarity without having to be controlled temporarily through some ego driven meditation technique.

Mind relaxes when it understands the futility of it's spinning, and yet most meditation doesn't care anything about mind's understanding. Mind is seen as the enemy and there is no consorting with the enemy.
what we see is not real, but real.
what you dream is not real, but real.
what are you is not real, but real.
what are you is not real , but you feel and presume that you are real.
OM
phorggy & madan_gautam

madan_gautam | Sat, 12/20/2008 - 13:53
suzame's picture

responsability

You are wrong and you are misleading others in the very basic thing - meditation.

If you try meditation instead of talking about it from the perspective of the addicted lazy mind, you will see by yourself.

You cannot go beyond the mind using the mind unless you can lift yourself from the ground by pulling up your hair.

suzame | Sat, 12/20/2008 - 20:53
kamil's picture

Meditation is spirituality

Meditation is spirituality and spirituality is meditation.

Spirituality without meditation is just a disguised form of intellectual philosophy.

kamil | Mon, 12/08/2008 - 13:54
solomon's picture

Exactly. But as Osho has

Exactly. But as Osho has once said - for many it takes numerous lives to get out of the control of the mind and thus cope with the fear and discover meditation.

Whoever is honest and experienced in the path that I met, has realized that there is no other way. One has to detach from the mind == meditation.

solomon | Sat, 12/20/2008 - 21:57
Phroggy's picture

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All these perpetual seekers talking about how meditation is the only way. How do you know it isn't the only way to perpetually seek? You stop along the road somewhere between New York and New Delhi to tell me that walking is the only way to get there. How do you know?

Phroggy | Sun, 12/21/2008 - 05:05
archana.anchal's picture

Strongly Agree

As Meditation leads us to the biggest discovery, that is our own self.....
Best Regards

archana.anchal | Fri, 03/13/2009 - 13:28
Phroggy's picture

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If you have discovered your own self, there would be no need to pretend there is no ego (per your other post), so what has happened in meditation? I'm not saying nothing has happened, I'm asking, what has actually happened?

Phroggy | Fri, 03/13/2009 - 17:39