It occured to me that God may not exist

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It occurred to me yesterday that it is very unlikely that something like God exists.

The main idea is about whether there is such an entity with consciousness.

Not something mechanical similar to a dog, which means nobody even if it has a shape.

Something like a human. A conscious one orת more accurately, one that seems to us conscious.



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You mean the old man...

with the long white hair, white beard, wearing a white robe, a rope for a belt, and sandals?

I don't think he exists either. At least not limited to that mental form if have.

Quantum | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 07:29
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Conscious intelligence or orphan cosmic law

I'm even talking about a much subtler sense - when we go beyond the cultural images and any form images (e.g. old man, white robe) we still imagine some integrated conscious entity, some intelligence that has presence, self awareness, and volition, that can understand and realize. Even when we say that it is all, that it is nothing, that it is beyond form, that it is omnipotent and omniscience, we still presume that there is someone on the other side of the line, not just some orphan cosmic law - I'm not even that sure that such conscious intelligence exists.

doo | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 07:52
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God may not exist?

" It is unlikely that something like God exist"
' Not sure that such conscious intelligence exist '
we are in a habbit of accepting existance of a thing which comes within perview of our perception.
Anything within our perception of sensory limitations that exist has a begining and an end. The rule applies to all the living and non-living creations. Once into existance it has a quality to reproduce itself (living) or it is produced by some other forces (nonliving). These productions are strictly guided by some laws and rules. Break the law, production and therefore further existance is seized.
The design through which this process is evolved and maintained is a work of intelligence- one of the attribute of concsiousnes. It does not matter whether it is within or beyond our limitations of perception.
Just imagine the existance of whole of the universe whose begining and end is beyond our perception; but whose guiding forces are so accurately and intelligently designed that it continues to exist from time unknown under a strict law.
This law and the lawmaker both is God ! You are free to give it a name or not. But it is obvious that some conscious intelligence must exist.

Shailendra | Fri, 11/06/2009 - 16:21
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See his specific words about God

See what he wrote in the original post - he does not refer to the generic concept of God which can also be the cosmic law, arbitrary nature, etc. - this has no much interest because it actually means we gave a name ("God") to somthing, anything. He is referring to a conscious entity, and this may not be what God is.

suzame | Sat, 11/07/2009 - 18:39
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Why do you think that?

"I'm not even that sure that such conscious intelligence exists."

Why did you think that?

I'm not going to say, as other might, "Who is thinking that way?", or "There is no 'Other' (i.e. 'God'); there is no self."

I'm not playing that game now. I'm just wondering why you think that, because I've been fascinated by Atheis for a long time. I have no concept of what it is like. Or what it feels like.

Quantum | Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:58
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Nature of "God"

He didn't say that he thinks that it doesn't exist. Only that it is very unlikely based on senses and logic.

This is true and it is essential that one be frank with himself when such thoughts arise.

It doesn't say that God does not exist. I find it more speculating about the true nature of God and I like the way he phrased it.

johnd | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 16:26
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BEING is beyond the mind

"....very unlikely based on senses and logic."

This whole forum, I'm finding, involves some very subtle thinking. One person will post something that I think is so brillian, an another will critique it from a different angle. At first I thought it was a bit irritating, but now I find it actually expands my thinking (....yeah..mind stuff.)

That said, BEING, is beyond the mind. So, from that, the existence of GOD (i.e. BEING) is "....very unlike based on ...logic" because logic is a mind activity.

It's easy to "know" (mind stuff) about God. In my world, I have met many "Christians" in church, who "believe" in God. But I wonder in my heart, if they are "Close to God." The words they speak, the attitudes in their faces, their demeaner, does not draw me to them as beings who are so close to the "PResence of God" that I want to be in their company. If I am in their company, it is in a very secular sense. Nothing spiritually inspiring or uplifting.

Quantum | Thu, 11/05/2009 - 22:21
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Your words are inspiring

I like your sincerity with yourself. It is the most valuable tool on the path. It make sure you will not miss an opportunity like we usually do. Others will not be open to contradicting opinions like you but will try to defend their opinion without even listening.

What I like in gurusfeet is the diversity - not only thinking alike advaita people or only osho people or only chakti people. In order to benefit from this rare place of encounter one has to be open like you.

I'm also trying to have openness to contradicting opinions especially after I feel I already crystallized my view on a certain issue. There is no certainty and once one realizes this a new world opens to him and he also regards thoughts and theories in a less seriousness.

suzame | Sat, 11/07/2009 - 18:36
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What happens when God ceases to be an exciting toy for the mind

Investigating honestly our concepts of God is a vital and cruel process that we should all undergo and so few of us truly do.

After we peel from it all the concepts attached, what left of God is nothing the mind can play with, what left is something terribly boring for the mind.

This is the crucial moment: if one still sticks to that purified God despite its unattractiveness then he is blessed. Most will turn to a new exciting toy.

avi | Mon, 02/22/2010 - 23:21
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I Concur!

As I study the messages and life of the sages many call god, I am forced to believe they have already said god does not exist, even most Christian's Jesus.

When we look to nature and see curvature or circular forms to everything, it suggests existence is in a cycle and most likely a sphere. Spheres have no beginnings nor endings and all of them we see in the sky rotates, suggesting an existence without ends and opposing sides. Thus, there would be to sides to man on earth, I call them material and spiritual.

Our present civilization is the one I call material because we use earthen matter to produce things with our focus being on our bodies. The one I call spiritual (Bible's Revelation 21) is because it appears that they have no bodies, they are like our energy or ghost during this one, unseen by the eyes.

The very notion of god is the maker of everything but existence suggest by its design there is no maker. Yes, there are very precise rules appearing as if an intelligence governs everything, and it must, but should it be called a making god? I think not being EXISTENCE IS without beginning and ending.
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Have you questioned your beliefs? Reason the different concepts until all pros and cons are integrated into the 64,800 degrees of your vision.
--Elijah "NatureBoy"--

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 02/23/2010 - 22:40
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This

This only Means thet their is great progress in "EGO",
Occured, Nothing else.

jasdir singh jaura | Thu, 08/26/2010 - 05:38
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Funny that we don't feel this about the I

It is funny that regarding GOD, something intangible that we regard as an outside entity, we tend to suppose that it doesn't exist as a conscious entity.

While regarding the I, something intangible that we regard as an internal entity, we tend to suppose that it does exist as a conscious entity.

If you inspect it, both are enigmatic in the same sense and almost in the same degree.

The doorway to the treasure lies in that distinction, there we have to inquire.

davids | Thu, 11/03/2011 - 06:38
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Fluctuations of the mind

Some believe in existence.
Others believe nothing exists.
Rare is the one who believes nothing,
And is never confused.

~ Astavakra Gita ~

TRUTH,LOVE,PEACE
MAI

MAI | Mon, 12/17/2012 - 01:33
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can you imagine something

can you imagine something that doesn't exist ?.
sure, a flying tree.
How are you sure there's no flying tree ? you haven't seen one.
Because everything you know about tells you that there isn't. What if you knew more ?
Could you see the possibility of a flying tree ?.
What if you already knew more ? you just forgotten.
Concepts of god you are attracted too, why ?
remind you of something you forgotten ?.

Mr jack | Thu, 03/28/2013 - 02:39
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Speculations

The fact that we imagine something or attracted to some imagination has no ground for the speculation that it is something that we have forgotten. You too do not supply any argument to support this arbitrary speculation.

The same applies to the other speculation that you use that if we knew more than it might exist. The same can be said about drinking poison or crossing a busy highway blindfolded and still you do not try to do these things.

Genuine faith can not be built on generic biased intellectual speculations the same way that the argument "even science says" cannot serve as an encouragement for someone to cultivate his/her belief. It is sprouting way beyond the mind.

santana | Thu, 03/28/2013 - 08:43
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Proof Of Existence from the Blog

1. The 'may' used by you. Expressing doubt for you are not sure of yourself. This is the proof of your self.
2. If He does not exist, the idea of searching for Him does not arise. The wise say it is foolish to search for that that is not there.
3. It occured to you. Many things occur to people. What occured cannot be true when it is mental. It has to be investigated to come to conclusion.

Nathyogi | Thu, 07/31/2014 - 06:54
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There's Proof!

God is like the concepts of good and evil, or any other such judgments, its existence is because man {mind able to comprehend all things and god is all knowing] can only see half of anything at any a time, birth and death for an example, and concludes there is a beginning and end, therefore, we conclude, because we make things which always terminates, something produced us and everything else while believing we are the image of god. However, when we examine ourselves we see that in our bodies are microbes of different types which maintains us, provided we consume unprocessed by heat some of all plant life types to maintain their balance, which further suggest we are microbes in something larger than ourselves.

Our being microbes in something larger than our physical manifestations suggests we are minds within a physical manifestation who are learning by living every attribute of each microbe and will manifest as larger microbes until we become the whole of the being in which we are living. Thus, we become the whole of all of our past experiences which suggest we are a manifestation in a manifestation on its way to becoming the ultimate manifestation in order to revert back to being a microbe within the macro that took over from our being the micro manifestation called god.

In that sense, god is but a word used as the title to describe the ultimate manifestation we are in the process of becoming as we reincarnate on earth and metamorphosis to and on other planes of existence until we have become it but, like good and evil, it is only god to the beholder of the concept.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:09
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God is Word

You are right. God is Word.
The Word became God in the beginning and this Word is our God.

Nathyogi | Thu, 07/31/2014 - 11:58
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And "Word" Means?

"God is word" is your statement, Nathyogi, so do you know the definition of word is a verbal means of explaining and everything made is made with "a verbal means of explaining" which would include god?

So, how do you explain god?

Jesus?

And what is the definition of Jesus?

My finding is Jesus is a perverted way of spelling Janus, Rome's supreme god's name -- I have not found a definition for it as of yet -- in order to get the Romans to accept Jesus the christ as god for establishing Catholicism called Christianity first. You must remember Constantine was the one who began Christianity, as we know it today, by having his warriors put crosses on their shields, the foregoing is how he got his solders to do it.

You do know "the word" became flesh and dwelled among man as Jesus and he said we can do what he did and more, thus, we all are able to become god because we are able to becone the word made flesh, further supporting what I said above. Can you further justify what you said about the word other than what is written in the Bible because it, the Bible, admonished us to find evidence and substance to support our unseen beliefs (Hebrew 11:1))?

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Thu, 07/31/2014 - 22:17
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Re: And "Word" Means?

All scriptures asked us to find out the Word in flesh. This is the search for truth. Jesus and all saints knew of the Word.
This Word is the basis of all scriptures of every religion.
I think the forum is not the right platform to discuss about the Word that became God and God is the Word.
The verbal means of explanation of word and the Word is given below:

If taught parrots too can speak many a word
But they cannot understand the meaning of the word.
Similarly ensnared in the maya’s crossword
All speak of the Word
But none knows the password.

Nathyogi | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 04:51
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Thus, The Reason For My Questions!

Your saying god is word without any explanation demonstrates you leaned someone's words but not the understanding of what you are saying. Thus, you parroted, so when you use another's words, explain them please.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 10:26
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Re: Thus, you parroted....

You are free to think of me a parrot.
I spent my whole life to find the Word and people want to know all by mere asking. This cannot be entertained.
I suggest you to visit my website to know what and how a parrot speaks.

Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 11:49
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to see if you are disciple

to see if you are disciple of true guru

What are the lotus feet of Guru ?

they are not his feet.

what are they ?

Mr jack | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 17:10
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Apologies

Silly thing to say sorry Nathi Yogi

Mr jack | Sat, 08/02/2014 - 18:32
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Re: Apologies

My works look like silly to those who are silliest.

Nathyogi | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:28
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Re: to see if you are disciple

It is beyond your understanding.

Nathyogi | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:23
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eyes light head

gurus feet are eye's or light inside of head. dancing shiva jothi.

Mr jack | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 04:50
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Re: eyes light head

This you should learn from your Guru.
Go and serve a Guru. He will teach you what it is and will remove all your doubts.
I am not a Guru. I am only a disciple.

Nathyogi | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 05:08
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Serve A Guru, Obtain Their Prejudices!

One of the greater Gurus of all times, Yoshua called Jesus the Christ, said we can do what he did and greater. How is that possible when one continue to serve a guru and not branch out on their own to become all they can be? To serve someone else is to relinquish one's own unalienable right to be governed from their own comprehension obtained by objectively observing, participating and reasoning with their experiences. When one is serving a guru one will never look outside of their teachings to become objective enough to see if the guru has prejudices or not, therefore, the students become as prejudice as his teacher. That is what Yoshua meant when he said others can exceed what he did.

The reason Germany, during the 1930s, and the USA, beginning in 2001, fell into the same predicament is because the people are/were blindly devoted obedience to their leaders teachings. That is why there are so many wars around the world today, the students are loosing blind obedience to leaders and the leaders wanting to control their minds are fighting against them because in not having control their subjects they feel they are no more than their subjects.

You teach serve a guru because you want to be exalted in the eye of others but when one finds self satisfaction without a following they are exalted by the ZERO.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 12:39
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Re: Serve a Guru, to obtain their prejudices.

Only by serving Guru and by Guru's grace one surpasses Guru. This is beyond speculation and logic. Unless you serve it cannot be understood.
The wise wish, "Oh, God, let us be surpassed by our followers."

The selfish cannot understand the ways of the unselfish.
I speak truth and the way of the wise. Without a Guru what one knows is only nescience. I don't want to become exalted in the eye of others. If they praise or condemn me it doesn't change my position. The truth is one must be beyond censure and praise.
You will be the first one to be exalted by zero. But zeros added or multiplied or subtracted or divided cannot make one is the reality. This is the position of self satisfaction by following none.

The wise lead a life of truth by practicing truth in thought, word and deed.

Nathyogi | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 13:50
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guru u do not speak for

The selfish cannot understand the ways of the unselfish.

So sure are you.

How could you ever truly be unselfish if not first selfish ?

the wise you do not speak for

Elias Nathi yogi is not explaining True Guru relationship properly.

Mr jack | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 16:48
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Re: guru u do not speak for

Selfishness is a born quality. By the practice of truth one becomes unselfish. That is why it is said the selfish do not know the ways of the unselfish.
It is better if you say True Guru relationship cannot be understood properly for He is beyond thought, word and work.

Nathyogi | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 04:25
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Serving THE Guru called God.

Written by the biblical prophet Isaiah are the words Whom shall he [god] teach knowledge? and whom shall he [god] make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk [guru's teachings], and drawn from the breasts [gurus themselves] which instructs everyone who will know truth to be TAUGHT BY GOD DIRECTLY and since god is within every physical manifestation we are to seek guru god within ourselves.

The reason one has a negative counter part is because when it is removed from ZERO it leaves a vacancy which shows it's missing from ZERO. When one returns to it vacated place after recognizing its self as an individual Zero it causes the ZERO to have within itself all of its fractions. One can not reenter ZERO until it recognizes itself alone as a ZERO and as a part of ZERO.

Your last statement, The wise lead a life of truth by practicing truth in thought, word and deed is the only way one knows if they have the truth or not. By accepting any guru other than the ZERO within one can not know truth because living truth is what liberates one and returns it to the ZERO.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 21:19
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Guru is God

Brother True Guru is God.

A person who has complete union with God is God ( Vallalaar)
He was born a man like us, he became light and God

This is why Vallalaar is True Guru he
Has had complete union with real God ( light)
He has become God

when I suggested Vallalaar as True Guru
I mean that has become God is God

So listening to a man who has become God and had complete union with God is not a foolish thing.
only unless that man has not really become God hence he is not True Guru

True Guru is God. It refers to someone who has genuinely had complete union with God and become him.

This is why I suggest Vallalaar as a True Guru because he has genuinely achieved this, which is very rare even for an immortal.
Listening to what he has to say is wise
you would be listening to God.

When he achieved complete union he merged with every other soul light.
He is part of you and me now everyone
When you look for God within you, you are also looking for Vallalaar
Make sense ?

The exciting thing is that his achievement
is the true human existence that we are all able to achieve.
We refer to him as true human, because that is what a true human is.
After Samadhi or enlightenment there are many many stages
All leading up to an existence as a true human
Vallalaar is the best example of true human and True Guru
he merged with God light
Many have merged with air water earth fire
very few with Light

He has the true immortal life of a human
His teachings are from God. He did not invent Penance (eye meditation) he was shown as a boy by God.
All of his teachings he ascribes to God directly
Penance being an already built in way in humans to achieve Light body

I hope that clears things up brother

Mr jack | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 23:05
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Re: Guru is God

Dear Mr. Jack,
I appreciate your devotion to Vallalaar.

May it be thought that he is your Guru?

I would be glad if you let me know who is the Guru of Vallalaar.

Nathyogi | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 04:54
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ArutperumJothi

The Guru of Vallalaar is God

Vallalaar developed friendhship with Lord Murugan

God became his Guru.

Yes he is my Friend and Guru

This mantra brings grace light down to you

Arutperumjothi arutperumjothi Thaniperumkanurai arutperumjothi

Mr jack | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:44
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Re: ArutperumJothi

I appreciate your devotion to Vallalar.
The point is God is Guru to all. Then why there is the need to accept Vallalar as your Guru.
You too can directly approach Lord Murugan without a mediator.
There are many who claim God as their Guru. Doubtful is their practice and knowledge. The wise don't believe such stories of blind beliefs and superstitions.
First understand the difference between God and Guru. Then a devotee and a disciple.
Your Guru Vallalar may be a devotee of Lord Murugan. Friendship with God is also a form of devotion. He cannot be a disciple of Him. Serving a living Guru is entirely different from practicing devotion to God.
The proof is Lord Rama and Lord Krishna and other saints and sages all have served Their respective Gurus during Their lifespan at least for a brief period though They were devotees of God.
Practicing the mantra could not give light to you for you don't know the difference between a devotee and a disciple.
I am content and elated with the light that I have.
Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Tue, 08/05/2014 - 04:37
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Arutperumjothi

Yes Nathi I do know difference. If you read my posts properly I explained Vallalaar merged completely with God
So God is Guru, Vallalaar was a Devotee who has become Lord.
Devotion to Vallalaar is devotion to God

Read more on Vallalaar and you won't be so quick to judge others progress

The mantra gives grace light for all, that is the purpose of it, Why the mantra was given from God directly. Try 100 times or do not comment.

Vallalaar is no mediator. You do not know him. If you did then you would revise your comments
No other person has achieved his union

Mr jack | Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:20
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Re: Arutperumjothi

Ok, it is good. If you think so practice the teachings of your Guru Vallalaar.
1. Have your Guru asked you to spread mantra on the internet with anybody?
2. Have you been appointed as a Guru by him to give mantras on the net without testing someone?
3. I have nothing to do with Vallalar. It is you who brought him between us.
4. It is not needed to know each and every saint of the world. There will be many in future also. It is enough if one finds his Guru and practices what is taught. There are innumerable Perfect Beings who obtained union with God. This you may confirm from your Guru Vallalaar.

Hari Om!

Nathyogi | Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:48
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Re: Serving THE Guru called God.

Even then a physical Guru is necessary.
Else whatever one gains is only a projection of one's ego which is not truth. One is free to carry one's ego. But it has no value among saints and sages.
Zero came when we started counting. 1, 2, 3, etc. when reached 9, the presence of zero was felt. The same is proved if you see roman numerals where there is no zero, it is complicated writing the numbers in it.
Zero made things easier but it came much later. This is not the starting point. Languages, alphabets all came before counting. A child first learns alphabets not maths and zero is not taught unless he counts 10. Even these are taught by a teacher here again.

Sans teacher, one cannot learn even science.
Sans Guru, what one knows is only nescience.

Nathyogi | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 04:43
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Physical Gurus Points To Truth

Physical gurus relate information called knowledge, what is termed god reveals the comprehension. Few physical gurus has understanding, defined as having gone from the top through the subject to the bottom and obtained the complete comprehension, of knowledge, they mostly only have knowledge. When one does have understanding they generally only use metaphors, allegories, parables and symbol-types to attempt to explain it. Then the all knowing Life-Forrce or god paints a picture in the mind of its students to clarify it to them, that is something a physical guru can't do, it only paint pictures with words. Thus, the physical guru only points to truth.

Because all things are eternal -- without beginning or ending -- the numbering system we have has always been. When the Great Pyramid was opened the numbers used today were on its inner wall.

Because everything a fetus hears while in the mother's womb registers in the born child, and mothers often use numbers, the child will know numbers like they will words, though it often takes more time to articulate numbers because words are taught them before numbers.

Look at a US football or rugby field, the goal line is zero and one counts half the way to the goal and back to zero, thus, they have counted the circle of zero although it is laid out straight rather than the circle it represents. It is like saying how far can you go into a forest which is answered correctly half way then you begin to exit it. Placing zero after counting 1 thru 9 represents the entire 9 fractions series and the number to the left of it represents how many times the 9 fractions were counted which make that zero represent the whole group of fractions.

The reason today's numbering system did not began to be made manifested until this late in civilization is because someone else would have recognized how numbers 1 thru 9 are only fractions of zero, the whole, and man would have learned that truth much earlier and civilization would have to end prior to the set time. As the guru knows, there is a purpose for all things to work in a sequence to accomplish the eternal plan.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 11:47
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Re: Physical Gurus Points To Truth

Yes, Guru points the way but it is you who has to tread the path. Guru is needed for He alone knows the path.
One cannot know it by oneself whatever or however one may try it.
Who has asked you to go into a forest. You are free to assume things for yourself and draw conclusions. If they do not help you reach truth, they are useless.
Truth is not a matter of speculation, logic and discussions. It is a matter of practice in word, practice in thought and practice in deed and practice alone makes one perfect.
Thus ends discussions.
Please play this football if you want to know truth.
http://nathyogi.com/football.htm

Nathyogi | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 12:09
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numberman

I respect you dedication to numbers and zero
you are the numberman.

God bless

Mr jack | Mon, 08/04/2014 - 17:50
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1st God does exist and can

1st God does exist and can be proven if you are willing to do some digging.

In the centre of your head is your soul which is light.
God is light. Called Divine Jothi.
Through penance a meditation using your eyes you can look at your own eye into them to the centre of your head.

" eye's lamps of the body ". jesus quote.
jesus
was a siddhar who taught penance. There is overwhelming evidence of this if you decide to research properly.

Penance is a techniques taught by a Guru. Very few Gurus teach this as it was hidden. and still is.

there is a tiny divine light in the centre of the pupil of the eyes the size of the tip of a needle. Sound familiar ?

I'll sell my camels then

Mr jack | Fri, 08/01/2014 - 16:14
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God Is Known By Knowing Ourselves!

Greetings Brother Jack, fancy meeting you here.

When we know we are not our bodies and man {mind able to comprehend all things} is our specie's name then we know we are god. Once we learn to study ourselves by understanding everything outside of our physical manifestation we know the ZERO we are a part of and how we are a part of it, therefore, we are god which is recognized by knowing the meaning of our specie's name is man and it is not a gender of our specie.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 08/02/2014 - 11:50
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Repost deleted 1st for some reason

Once we learn to study ourselves

Elias the light the size of the tip of a needle in our pupils is God within us. Our soul has not yet become our body(light body). When light in eye grows it convert body into light, then we are as God is. Light. I am everywhere.

I know you have Christian teachings this truth does not interfere with any faith. The light in our pupils is true and proof that God is there within us. Can and will share many Sages and saints quoting the same thing, including Jesus.

if you want proof you can experience for yourself of God and becoming true human (physical light body) then the light in the eye and Doing penance (meditation with the eyes) will be of great benefit

This can be done by anyone any faith. Muslim Buddhist and Taoists have practised this method and if you request I can
forward you information on them.

The post is titled " it occurred to me God might not exist "
When in doubt we require proof or a way to find it.
The above information on the light in the pupil of eyes is part of that proof.

God bless

Mr jack | Sat, 08/02/2014 - 18:22
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Saint Vallalaar

Saint Vallalaar is listed in the gurus sections of this site
Much of the information about the light in the eyes was brought forward by him recently

Mr jack | Sat, 08/02/2014 - 18:28
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I Wasn't Disagreeing!

What I was saying, Bro. Jack, wasn't disagreeing with you but a further compliment to what you said.

All scriptures agree because god is Zero, the whole of all of its parts, so when we say we are god we are saying we are a life within or on the infinite Zero although we are a finite Zero containing many manifestations of ourselves within and on us.

Also, thanks for the information that Saint Vallalaar is someone with that information, I'll look into it.

--Elijah "NatureBoy"--
Presenting SEEDS OF LIFE @
http://prop1.org/protest/elijah/nature.htm

Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 08/02/2014 - 23:46
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outside looking or in

no worries chief . I wanted to share

If you read up on Vallalaar , he came across people searching for God outside of themselves, but was committed to showing them that God was within

Vallalaar got the boon of Light body through penance
His Divine wisdom went beyond all universes
and in my opinion is even still learning growing
It is said no other has attained such boon
he is true human.

i am everywhere, is union with light
And your soul still progress

Heavenly body immortal is a Taoist way of saying it
but Vallalaar went beyond this

It is very important to take theekshai and do penance (eye meditation) for reasons of a true human existence that you are not having. In which God is with you and you are his friend

Vallalaar referred to God as his true friend

This for me has all the truth I needed to start to listen or try too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVsCnk1b5qc
This is God and how great he/she can be. She is logical and true. Heartfelt honest. Strong. Kind. sincere

God bless

Mr jack | Sun, 08/03/2014 - 02:03