It's not previous lives, it's parallel lives

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People talk about their experiences in previous lives. They refer to these lives as if they were in the past and included the same personality, that same "I", the same mind as they currently have.

This perception provides these people with some false comfort to deny the frightening idea of them being temporal, instead of realizing that what is temporal is their individual identity manifested in their body and mind while they are actually eternal souls happened to identify with their body and soul and thus forget that they are eternal.

Time is a concept of the mind. Beyond mind there is no time, only the now exists. Speaking about previous lives in the past therefore is completely ignorant as incarnations are beyond mind.

Some of these people who speak about their past lives experiences do indeed recall these experiences that indeed did not take place in their current life. But due to their ignorance (and sometimes vanity) they hastily ascribe them to past lives while actually they occur in what we can call other lives or parallel lives, lives that are taking place outside the confinements of time. These can be alternative life options, parallel lives, lives of other (individual) people living, by current mind's time concepts, right now, in the future or indeed in some cases in the past.

The memories that these people ascribe to themselves as happened to them are actually mental leaks from the the collective mind and thus do not have any relevance to the current individual identity or mind.

Though the dealing with "previous" lives is intriguing and comforting, one who wishes to develop in the spiritual life should therefore leave aside these anecdotes and focus on dwelling in his eternal soul by letting go his identification with the body, mind and the individual "I". Only this will bring upon him the real awareness of being eternal.



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past life is a parallel life!

yes lucas,
what u have said is true,pathanjali yoga says say no to past life even,but prajapita brahma kumaris ascribe to it,
consider i know i am pandit jawaharlal nehru in my past life what help it gives to me except the awareness that i was primeminister of india in previous life,one speaker told that jesus said "i will come yesterday,for pandit jawahar lal nehru's genes meet with jesus christ.....

so my allowing past memory helps the return og christ....
one is tempted to say,but whenever i say the past life relation the film "ram" is aired in tv.....

all r mere coincedence "a big no" ........

what one must do is somehow keep himself to thoughtless awareness and also to chanting "om" or pranava and keep firm on his onward journey.......

but past life memory increases the memory space in brain and who knows u will be using more brain power.....

but if u r given duty to extinguish all life dirt in all beings u have to cross the ocean of all past lifes before new civilization matures.

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Sun, 11/30/2008 - 17:48
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past lives of the ego

This is a honest depiction of this lives system that makes much more sense than the popular ones, I must say.

It's amusing how these who "remember" their past lives are always remembering that they were princes, kings, high priests, known people. Haven't encountered yet someone who said he recalls being a simple peasant... :-)

I think they are recalling the past lives of their ego :-)

seeker | Mon, 12/15/2008 - 11:38
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dear seeker ur partialy true!

past life too is envoloped by ego mind prakriti or swabhava
etc etc
i found my past life because i followed the prescribed rules of yoga (not revealed for any problem)

yes can u remember the past life which is encaptulated in maya without proper memory tool.

autobiography of nehru was present but where autobiography of simple men ....

so pathanjali yoga starts in samadhi padam for gods incarnate then only sadhana padam for common people with effort...

so reflect....

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Mon, 01/19/2009 - 14:03
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ego a look!

how can u know
does anyone say because of bad food or samskaras i did sin will police leave him no...

while bahgavad gita says he is so because he is folowing such samskaras....

eating non veg food etc.....

or eating veg food....

u seem to be a good student if picture is true my brother genes good luck.

read bhagavad gita of iskcon or ramakrishna mission and reflect on it and ask u wont be far away.

with love
dhorai.

with love
dhorai.

dhorai | Mon, 01/19/2009 - 14:08
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Past lives

I have seen the same in some people, I think it is because they do not really remember anything.

I remember my past life, being an orphan kid in WWI, survival in war times is not an easy task, some people around me and I, in that time, we took decisions that have had consequences in my present life.

In my experience, your past lives and present lives are connected, it means that in your next life, you are going to be a continuation of your present life.
In your future life, you will be basically you, in a new culture, family and place, unsolved issues will be present to be solved, or to enjoy the fruits of positive actions taken in past lives, not to mention what you can create in that moment.

Regards

Journey | Thu, 01/22/2009 - 06:19
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I found you contradictory

Lucas

I agree that a linear perception of time is illusory, however, in my opinion a perpetual present as I understood in your post is also illusory.
I found you contradictory because how do you explain that there is a past and a future, in the perpetual present you expose?
Everything in life has a beginning and an end, it is a cycle. On the other hand a perpetual present would have no past nor future.

For some reason we all are in a body, it seems our soul needs to live confined in a body for a time or several times, living the human experience.
What is it in our material life that we can not achieved in in the spiritual life?

remembering the anecdotes as you qualify them, they have precisely, given me the sense of being eternal, of that my soul survives to all these cycles or experiences.
Perhaps this is the only way to gain wisdom.

Regards
Journey

Journey | Thu, 01/22/2009 - 07:19
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Any Tangable Evidence To Support It?

Lucas,
There are many recorded hypnotic regressions suggest they have lived in past lives, are there any form of proof you have to suggest parallel lives?
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Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 05/13/2011 - 01:53
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I think you didn't

I think you didn't understand the thesis in the post. What the original poster suggests is that it is MORE PROBABLE that it is parallel lives that previous lives because THERE IS NO TIME BEYOND MIND and these lives by definition are of course beyond mind.

lolita | Fri, 01/06/2012 - 19:12
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What Isn't Understood.

What appears to be misunderstood is there is no life if the lifeforce has no physical manifestation or body. Without a body, with the "silver cord" [the connection between lifeforce and body] broken or discarnated, there's only the recognition of the previous incarnations but no learning. Learning require physical senses on this earth plane, which is what life is the process of. Without the body we are but a disembodied mind without learning abilities.

We incarnate continually for our lifeforces to learn the specifics of the characteristics of each earthen personality until we have incarnated as every personality here. Only doing our last earthen incarnation, a man, will we remember and integrate all the lived personalities into our physical form, at which time we are to have the abilities it's written Jesus demonstrated.

Without him making clear what he meant I was not sure how to approach responding to him, but with what you suggest he means I am able to relate my understanding of what life is. Thank you.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Fri, 01/06/2012 - 20:42
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There is no basis or

There is no basis or supporting arguments to what you write.

kalgo | Sat, 01/07/2012 - 21:56
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OBE Supports It!

Kalgo,
OBE (Out'a Body Experiences) like http://anitamoorjani.com/ is plenty support for it, check out her testimony.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sat, 01/07/2012 - 22:30
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Of course lives cannot be past lives, they are just other lives

Similar post with another angle that strenghten the conclusion that it's not past lives or future lives but just other lives out of the dimension of time which is a mind creation:

http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/past-lives-only-past

carlito santo | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 11:27
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Past Lives Are Lives The Lifeforce Has Pass Through Already!

Living is learning and everything learned has to follow a sequence. Numbers, for example, can't be used in any way until we understand the sequence of counting, then we are able to add, subtract, multiply and divide them one at a time; so it is with the things every lifeforce learns, there are steps to learning them. Certain things has to be experienced prior to others, therefore the lifeforce will have passed through the previous incarnations before being prepared to receive the lessons of another life. Therefore, "Past Lives" means the lifeforce has passed through other live in proper sequence.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 14:01
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Things have to follow a

Things have to follow a sequence only in the domain of the mind which creates time. There is no time beyond the mind. I know it is hard to realize this in the beginning because we are so used to think along time perspectives.

I suggest you to read the following fantastic post and follow the guiding there:
http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/guided-way-realization-time-does-not-exist

Be very diligent and you will realize that. It is more simple than you imagine. Try to put aside you current belief and just do it in open mind.

carlito santo | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 16:37
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There Are Parallels And Sequences!

View the video I posted earlier, I've also talked with someone who saw 360 degrees in all directions at the same time, and you'll see everything happened in sequence of the pattern of thought, which does suggest what you are saying, however thought doesn't create time, cycles are its creator.

Time is the measurement of cycles, if there were no cycles there wold be no time but the years, seasons and days are cycles although the seasons' magnifiers [opposites] happens in parallel because the equator and earth's tilt and wobbling produce them. They also happen in sequence, summer and winter with spring and fall in parallel together, and also in sequence. The things made reveals the actuality of existence, we want to change existence to satisfy our beliefs, but that doesn't work, all that does is confuse us more.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 17:12
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It's a totally different

It's a totally different thing. Instead of checking the exercise I mentioned, you just keep repeating the same argument that contradict one basic truth - that time is mind-created.

carlito santo | Sun, 01/22/2012 - 22:36
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Your Link

The link you are providing is not showing me any exercise, so I don't know what you are talking about.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 01:42
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Time Illusion or Real

NOW is the Truth of Awareness. Time is the reality of consciousness. Our belief about time and progress are illusions. Beyond time there is NO Two or Existence. Existence involves time or Cycles. It is both a Particle (Particular) and a Wave (Progression).

joejo | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 02:50
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Words Without Evidence!

JoeJo,
Those are only words, what support do you have for what their definitions are saying? I gave you the concept of learning numbers and other things to support my view, you are giving a concept without anything in support of them.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 03:43
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Learning and Time

Examples of learning of numbers that you gave is a good one but its flip side is that when we take this progressive and linear learning to psyche it does not work. Let us take the example of a jigsaw puzzle. A child starts to put the pieces in their places. Two children may do it very differently. Yet there may be a stage when someone solving the puzzle at a point in time which cannot be linearly predicted, has the total picture figured in his head. So insightful learning is not linear.

The progression of energy takes place in stages of seven like the rainbow spectrum or the seven musical scale or the seven Chakras or locus of energy in our body. There is a progression of energy up to the third stage beyond which is a leap which is felt as a barrier and indeed needs to be bridged. The barrier in fact is necessary, for the energy accumulates around it and at a point in time not in the linear scale a breakthrough is achieved. After having crossed this first barrier the energy flows till it reaches another (second barrier) beyond which lies the pinnacle or the start of a new cycle.

joejo | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 04:59
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You Said Cycles Are Of The Mind!

Why are you now using cycles when you've already said cycles are of the mind? Make up your mind, are cycles of the mind or not?

When following a cycle it appears lineal to mind therefore it is not happening all at once as you have said, neither is it happening in parallel, it's happening in sequence, as I have already said.

You are agreeing by your proof so if you want to argue for argument sake while saying the same thing I have already said in other terms, leave me out, please.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 13:45
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What Reincarnates

What reincarnates? Does the body reincarnate? The same law is applicable everywhere. All is a form of energy. I have no need to argue or prove anything.

Sequential linearity is a figment of mental imagination. If there can be progression there can be regression.

Change implies time so there can be no two opinions about it. I have nothing more to add.

Thank you

joejo | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 14:19
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Reincarnation Is ...

Carney means flesh, re means again, therefore reincarnate means "again in flesh" but a better description would be "again in a physical manifestation" because our lifeforces have been what is called "inanimate" objects. Every entity within existence is like a honeycomb cell, the lifeforce enters it and remains for a required duration then leaves, with the cell decomposing to reform with another lifeforce manifesting a it, then the first lifeforce enters another.

All lifeforces has to experience every attributes, any gender, mentality, general position and language of every specie on earth prior to evolving to the next plane in what I call a timeline, the sequence the lifeforce evolves from being to being. Because of discarnating we do not remember our previous incarnations until our last incarnation where we integrates everything we have passed through into our parent selves and evolve [rapture Christians call it] to the next plane.

Existence is like an onion, earth and like planets are considered the center ball and around then are layers upon layers until reaching the outer limit. Once we leave earth I only have a possible knowledge of entering each honeycomb cell without discarnating to retain the memories of those positions continuously.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 15:53
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What you wrote is completely

What you wrote is completely irrelevant to what the others tried to explain you (which is pretty straightforward) or to the subject of other lives separate from time.

sharonk | Mon, 01/23/2012 - 19:58
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The Thread's Subject!

The thread's subject is "it's not previous lives, it's parallel lives" requires explaining it with supporting evidence which has not been done, according to my reading. I explained, using knowns, how our lives are in sequence because to live is to learn and one can not learn, so to speak, backwards. One example is how one must learn numbers before learning math, therefore the lives will not be in parallel but previous incarnations. The discussion escalated to the place what I said was necessary in answering the questions received. Show me where I err, if you think differently.

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Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 01/24/2012 - 00:06
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Parallel Lives

I tend to think that parallel lives exist, but that we experience them in sequence. Like you go through one life at a time, but when you come back in the next life, this could occur at the same earthly time as a previous life, like in parallel. I suspect that after being a human, you can come back as an animal, the kind of animal being most suited to your personality. I see this kind of reincarnation as akin to purgatory - if you are going to behave like an animal, you come back as one. So there may also be a heaven and hell for the very good or very bad, who don't have to come back again as animals. I also think I have tangible evidence of the existance of parallel lives. I keep several pets, and one of them I believe is a person I know, who is alive at present, but older than this pet. I'm pretty sure it's her in another life, same look, personality, voice etc. The person stalks me in real life, so it's not surprising that she would try to become my pet if given the opportunity. I actually have 2 copies of her at different pet ages, a couple of months apart. I'm pretty sure another of my pets is also a copy of another pet at a different age. I can talk to my pets telepathically, but that's another story.

Reno | Fri, 11/02/2012 - 18:44
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reincarnation

This would explain how animals know certain things we call instinct. Is this innate knowledge or is it knowledge acquired from a previous life.

Reno | Fri, 11/02/2012 - 18:50
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Cloning

It is possible that a clone is the same person in another parallel or near parallel life, when they both are alive at the same time.

Reno | Fri, 11/02/2012 - 18:52
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Cloning - Reincarnation

So cloning may be tangible evidence of parallel lives and also reincarnation, if the clone is the exact same individual (same personality) and not another, such as a twin. Identical twins usually look almost the same, but can have very different personalities.

Reno | Fri, 11/02/2012 - 19:16
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Reincarnation and cloning

I think that if reincarnation does exist, you don't come back being or looking like someone else. You will be recognisable as the same individual again, whether you become another human or an animal. Some of your appearance may be different, such as hair colour, but people will still recognise that it is you again, by your personality/general look/presence/voice etc. And yes, as another person said, you always hear people say that they were such and such a famous person in their previous life, but never an ordinary Joe Soap. I don't think you were somebody else. You would look very much the same, if you were to be a human in your previous life imo.
A clone may be just one kind of previous parallel life, but it wont make a human into an animal in their next life, for example. The clone would look almost exactly the same, same species, looks, hair colour etc.

Reno | Mon, 11/05/2012 - 11:31
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Reincarnation

I think that if reincarnation does exist, you don't come back being or looking like someone else. You will be recognisable as the same individual again, whether you become another human or an animal. Some of your appearance may be different, such as hair colour, but people will still recognise that it is you again, by your personality/general look/presence/voice etc. And yes, as another person said, you always hear people say that they were such and such a famous person in their previous life, but never an ordinary Joe Soap. I don't think you were somebody else. You would look very much the same, if you were to be a human in your previous life imo.
A clone may be just one kind of previous parallel life, but it wont make a human into an animal in their next life, for example. The clone would look almost exactly the same, same species, looks, hair colour etc.

Reno | Mon, 11/05/2012 - 11:30
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Parallel Lives via Reincarnation.

Your reply to my 01/23/12 post does make parallel lifes fit into reincarnation. There is someone who I have never found evidence of being except the many things happening in their lives I appeared to know what was happening at that time. It's also because of a Karma debt to him which makes me feel I was him other than by realizing what he is going through.

As for being recognized by others, according to the book Many Lives, Many Masters: by Brian L. Weiss, the diffferent life forces do recognize those they know from other lives. As a matter of fact, it indicates that they play different roles in different lives, sometimes husband, wife, children, lovers, doctors and the like.

According to my vision, only the lifeforces will know one another because every physical entity doing whatever it did at any given time will manifest again when it is time for that life to be on earth again, the only difference is the lifefoerce living in it. Only the physical manifestation has a given form, the lifeforce takes on the form of the physical. According to Gretchen, I am: by Carroll E Jay, the lifeforce has no name during discarnations.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:00
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Parallel Lives via Reincarnation.

Your reply to my 01/23/12 post does make parallel lifes fit into reincarnation. There is someone who I have never found evidence of being except the many things happening in their lives I appeared to know what was happening at that time. It's also because of a Karma debt to him which makes me feel I was him other than by realizing what he is going through.

As for being recognized by others, according to the book Many Lives, Many Masters: by Brian L. Weiss, the diffferent life forces do recognize those they know from other lives. As a matter of fact, it indicates that they play different roles in different lives, sometimes husband, wife, children, lovers, doctors and the like.

According to my vision, only the lifeforces will know one another because every physical entity doing whatever it did at any given time will manifest again when it is time for that life to be on earth again, the only difference is the lifefoerce living in it. Only the physical manifestation has a given form, the lifeforce takes on the form of the physical. According to Gretchen, I am: by Carroll E Jay, the lifeforce has no name during discarnations.

Elijah_NatureBoy | Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:01