How can I know if I am advancing on the spiritual path?

george's picture



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How can I know if I am advancing on the spiritual path? How can I know if I'm not fooling myself but really developing?

There is one clear indication for being considerably advanced on the path: it is when you don't care anymore if you have advanced or not.

It does not mean you have abandoned the spiritual path. You still have that underground pull towards the spiritual domain that keeps you on the path beyond your volition, you may even still enjoy the spiritual practices or may not, but you have become completely indifferent to whether you are progressing or not, you find yourself accepting whatever spiritual progress, non-progress or anti-progress concerned with your being. You have surrendered all objectives and targets. This is the clear indication that you are progressing, if you wish to have such an indication.

But do not turn this indication now into a new objective. It will happen when its time comes.

There are spiritual teachers who say that being calm, peaceful, relaxed is an indication to spiritual progress.

You cannot take this as an indication to progress. Sometimes on the contrary, it may indicate that you suppress hard emotions and past karma conditionings deep down in your subconscious and on the surface feels peaceful and relaxed.

Take for example the Vipassana meditation technique, the deeper you go, the stronger are the mental reaction patterns, the sanskaras, that pop up and make you more agitated. In Vipassana as well as in other certain meditations, actually it can be said that in great parts of the practice, feeling agitated is a good sign of progress.

Is there anything I can do to make sure I will progress

Yes, always be sincere with yourself.

You are always in progress. You may make the progress more speedy and efficient by always being sure that you are sincere with yourself. When your mind deceives you, it, of course, can make the path longer, longer even in extra lives, this is an objective of the mind: to delay your progress forever because spiritual progress means for the mind one thing: its extinction, or more accurately, the extinction of its control over you.

This is the case, by the way, where a guru may be most beneficial by spotting in real time when you are deceiving yourself and showing it to you. This is the main role of a guru.

I may wander on the path for eons and not progress

Who is this "I" that worries about wandering for eons on the path? Search for it.

You look at the spiritual path from your personality's skeptical point of view as if the trail of the path is chosen by you and is limited only to the official satsangs, meditations, reading spiritual books etc. Your spiritual path is always there, it is there also when you go to work or walk with your dog or crawl with a neighbor. Just embark on the path in the same way you step on an escalator, leave aside worries about progress and instead always be alert to make sure you are sincere with yourself, always check on yourself like a suspicious petty employer.

(From verbatim of Talks with Riktam Kantu, Vol. A)



banana's picture

words of truth

Exactly what i needed, i think this progress issue pops up in each seeker from time to time and usually the answers are not that encouraging. this q&a is so unusual and so true, thank you!

banana | Tue, 06/24/2008 - 04:57
santthosh kumaar's picture

'I' IS NOT THE SELF

Santthosh
HI GEORGE,
THE SEEKER WHO BECOMES FULLY AWARE OF THE FACT THAT 'I' IS NOT THE SELF, THEREFORE SEEKING TRUTH AND INDULGING IN SPIRITUAL PRACTICE ON THE BASE OF 'I' WILL NOT YIELD ANY RESULTS IS IN RIGHT DIRECTION.

IF SEEKER REMAIN PRACTICING ON THE BASE OF 'I' WILL NOT REACH ANYWHERE.
WITH RESPECT AND REGARDS
SANTTHOSH

santthosh kumaar | Mon, 06/30/2008 - 21:26
Wahido Theriaca's picture

Why even ask the question if we know there is no answer?

Dear George, Dear Santthosh, Dear All,

In my perspective all that is written comes from the mind (except if it comes from an enlightened one), therefore might be interpreted by a judgement, an emotion, a belief and so on. What you are both saying is true, but i believe that there is no right or wrong, no this way or that way. I believe that all is an experience and can be taken lightfully, joyously. Thinking is good and always leads us to something, and then another thing, and then many more related things and then it's just a bottomless vacuum of thoughts. Why even try to understand? Do we really have anything to understand? or is it just another belief? I believe that one of the indicators of spiritual progress is not "trying" to understand, hence even what i am writing is... what it is.

Thank you.

Love, Theriaca

Wahido Theriaca | Sat, 07/05/2008 - 23:01
sisi's picture

because it is like a koan

I refer in the following only to the original post:

I think the post itself posted by George is not of george himself but a transcript of talks with Riktam Kantu (see at the end of the post).

To my opinion it is a brilliant Q&A in the very fact that it puts the so common question (that each one of us asks himself/herself from time to time on the spiritual path) in an absurd perspective like a koan which has no logical answer. It demonstrates that we actually have no control over the progress and it does it through the same tool of the questioner: logic and reasoning thus shows also the absurdity of the reasoning itself.

The answer there:

There is one clear indication for being considerably advanced on the path: it is when you don't care anymore if you have advanced or not.

is the best out-of-the-box wise answer I have ever encountered to this irritating question of whether I'm progressing spiritually (usually teachers give standard answers based on simplistic indications, e.g. you should be more relaxed etc.). To me this creative simple answer helped a lot.

sisi | Sun, 07/06/2008 - 11:58
ramadvaith's picture

zen and enlightenment

an enlightened Zen master was asked: what is different, now that you are enlightened.

he said: before i started on my journey, i saw a mountain as a mountain and a river as a river. During the journey mountain was not a mountain and river was not a river. Now again a mountain is a mountain and a river is a river.

During the journey nothing is what it seems to be. In the end it is reality. But the mountain and the river are not the same mountain and the same river.

it is not that one does not care whether one has grown or not grown when one really has, but the certainty of growth leads to a detachment. One knows, there is no doubt and therefore it does not matter.

ramadvaith | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 16:15
leo's picture

no certainty or uncertainty

At some point, your ancient attachment to growth just breaks as other attachments break. There is no certainty and no uncertainty, you see how ridiculous and futile was this habit of measuring progress and growth and setting targets (as growth is by its nature measured according to some targets) and you just let go the whole system of calculation of developments that you were conditioned by society from age 0 to maintain and were using your whole life. You don't care anymore whether you have grown or not, you are happy with what is.

This was a tremendous moment of liberation for me.

Again having the certainty is the same as having uncertainty, you are still within the system of measuring yourself and setting imaginary targets as if you were the doer. When you abandon the whole useless system of neurotically measuring your development and start to just be and flow with the stream of life, then you feel tremendous liberation. You have just released yourself from another heavy burden, the burden of self expectations and constant self measurement.

leo | Fri, 08/01/2008 - 21:52