Free(ze) your mind and the rest will come

atlantis's picture



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If you can't free your mind, then at least freeze your mind. All you have to do is to add Ze to Free and the rest will come.

Note that freeze is in point, free is everywhere. The Ze adds contraction but this is good enough for now. It's the simplest but not the easiest.

If you can't freeze your mind, then at least observe and accept your mind. No Free and No Ze, just be attentive to the content. It's the easiest but not the simplest.



mika's picture

Accepting while trying to change

The problem that I always see is that once one starts to try to change things actively (e.g. freeze the thought process) then the purity of his acceptance in other mental venues is spoiled. Suddenly, the acceptance is not total, there is some parallel process now in the mind that looks for eliminating things instead of accepting them as they are.

In other words, once the mind gets a green light to change things in one issue, it tends to apply the new approach on other issues, a somewhat global state of mind changes.

If adopting both approaches in the same period of time, one has to be extra careful to make sure his/her acceptance is still pure while when trying to do some "active" technique like stopping the thinking process, he/she must make sure that he/she do it with all power and dedication.

mika | Mon, 08/25/2008 - 14:36
Omkaradatta's picture

Cute ;-)

... but really, 'freezing' is the mind's modus operandi. The mind operates in "freeze frame" mode already, viewing everything as a "thing". In truth, thing-ness is nonexistent.

The mind overlays "it" and "thing" and "subject" and "object" onto a reality it cannot otherwise grasp. This tendency is transcended only when the grasping is seen as futile, as the source of suffering.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Mon, 08/25/2008 - 21:40
lalo's picture

this is cool!

this was a cool way to put it...I liked it and i agree...

now i have to run though i don't feel i am advancing anywhere... strange...

lalo | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 20:41
Phroggy's picture

What I think is cool....

...is Tim's description above, which I'm seeing more clearly now. Objectivity, as well as events and their interconnected continuity are formed entirely in the mind and do not otherwise exist. The events and continuity are the formation of time, which is illustrated wonderfully with your little box man.

Time is subjectively created in the form of events. The more activity, the more events, and the more time seems to be created. While watching the many minute movements of the little man, a lot of mind events are formed and so a lot of subjective time is formed. When one looks away from the box, most of the detailed movement is lost and so fewer events are noted, and so less time is created, which in comparison makes it seem like the man is moving faster (in less time).

For those into practices, you might notice that you can stare at the box and slow mind's attention to detail, and the man seems to speed up.

Phroggy | Fri, 12/12/2008 - 23:09
johnd's picture

on what do you base this

Interesting. On what do you base this?

johnd | Sat, 12/13/2008 - 13:40
Phroggy's picture

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It's just something that's 'seen'. It's not some sort of theoretical conclusion for which I can offer a basis. However, you can demonstrate it to yourself in other ways. When you're excited about something and very active and engaged, time seems to move quickly because a large number of events are stored in memory. Noticing that 'so much has happened', gives the impression that much time has elapsed. Time is being subjectively created. When compared to 'objective' time, it seems like time accelerated for you. Hence the expression, "Time flies when you're having fun."

When you're bored, the opposite happens because very few events are noted, and so very little subjective time is created and time seems to drag.

It can also be noticed that what we call 'objective' time is also a subjective creation, but in this case the subject is not the individual but what we could call the collective consciousness from which all of experience arises. The only way you can even percieve time is that you are observing from a 'place' of timelessness.

As to Tim's comments, it's literally true that space is formed as a movement of mind, and so it is also subjective, formed on the basis of perceived otherness. If you close your eyes and don't form a mental picture, there isn't empty space, there's no space. One of the things I've noticed when I'm fully present in the moment is that everything seems to draw near, closing the spatial gap between me and other. I didn't understand why that happened until now. Everything is literally happening only here and only now.

The perception of otherness forms space, and the perception of events forms time. Neither one exists outside of mind's constructions.

Phroggy | Sat, 12/13/2008 - 23:43
Omkaradatta's picture

Collective consciousness

"It can also be noticed that what we call 'objective' time is also a subjective creation, but in this case the subject is not the individual but what we could call the collective consciousness from which all of experience arises."

I'm just wondering where you feel this 'collective consciousness' is located. Right here? Out there? Everywhere? If it's non-individual, who or what is noticing it?

There's no 'collective consciousness' noted here, unless a collective is pre-assumed. What is this collective, really? My Self, noticing or assuming it. Nothing could possibly be apart from Here.

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 12/14/2008 - 00:56
Phroggy's picture

~

Consciousness, of course, is not located in space. It's just a concept that refers to it's own content; the totality of form coming and going. As I see it, there are multiple, unique perspectives happening in this Consciousness. If not, how have you come to explain how you are talking to one of them? (Serious question)

Phroggy | Sun, 12/14/2008 - 02:35
Omkaradatta's picture

Because

Because there seems to be a discontent with anything other than subject/object, self/other, and so an explanation is asked for ;-).

Maybe there are multiple perspectives, I don't know. There's no direct indication of it, only indirect indication (I am not experiencing 'others' at all, outside the dream). It works well enough as a mental viewpoint to go on in terms of everyday life (if/when required, anyway).

http://www.omkaradatta.info

Omkaradatta | Sun, 12/14/2008 - 02:52
divine intervention's picture

mind can be stopped

It is amazing when you discover that the mind can be switched off and easily. You just freeze it with diligence and it freezes. At least all threads except some tiny observer (if it is mind at all).

I used to believe otherwise - all the conflict stuff but things prove different. I think it is made easy after turning the mind soft and weak with practice of acceptance.

It feels good when the mind is sleeping while you are still awake.

divine intervention | Thu, 03/05/2009 - 07:18
Phroggy's picture

~

Yes, it can happen, but be careful not to own it. You have not caused it. It results from effortlessness, which results from 'you're' absence. Mind will turn it into a method to prescribe to others, resulting in fruitless effort to become effortless. Call it grace and be grateful, and be done with it.

Phroggy | Thu, 03/05/2009 - 09:01
Omkaradatta's picture

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 03/05/2009 - 14:30
archana.anchal's picture

several paths to one goal.........

since ever, people have formulated one way or the other to reach the final goal.............

Few ways have become more prominent as they helped the most in achieving the goal.....but one can always go beyond the conventional paths......the only thing one should be careful of is "Life is Short"..we cannot waste all our time in experimenting, but at the very same time we cannot always hold ourselves from trying new things, from trying things - our heart really want to.........

I wish u attain ur goal and help others in doing so as well......

Best Regards

archana.anchal | Fri, 03/13/2009 - 05:11
neo's picture

It's true

For too long I was listening to the inflation of neo/pseudo Advaitans who were condemning any effort on the basis of their halfbaked wrong understanding of Advaita and pretty excuses for their poor laziness. At some point I realized that something is not smelling right with these smart guys and decided to rely solely on my experience. I found out to my amazement how easy and powerful it is to stop the thinking process - to freeze the mind, and with no conflict at all (see http://www.gurusfeet.com/blog/stopping-thinking-no-conflict).

So don't listen to these self-appointed confident neo/pseudo advaita authorities, poor them, they are in such an ignorance, they just epitomize a western misunderstanding of the wonderful advaita. The most you can do for them is to ask them if they ever done meditation to to maybe spark an understanding inside a very few of them of their motives to justify their laziness and enormous fear of meditation, restlessness and no activity. Don't argue with them as their mind's fear of boredom and meditation is huge, you did your part, the rest is on them, some day they will wake up from the neo advaita worship like we all did.

Meanwhile, don't let them frighten you with conflicts and strengthening of the doer self, do be aware to not generate those but go on with the practice of freezing the mind according to simple yoga techniques and you will realize the wonderful results.

neo | Fri, 05/15/2009 - 14:30
mbnarayana's picture

Free( ze ), how?

In sakara upasana a sadhaka puts before a dheyaya (a portrait of his choice,say rama,krishna,saibaba)and begins to concentrate his mind on it.If you are able to concentrate this for 7 seconds,then we can say that we achieved dhyana.This is some thing like freezing of our mind.If the dhyana time is 7 times ie.(7x7=49seconds),you achieved a samadhi like state.This is the experience told by anubhavananda swamy ,a follower of sri rama krishna cult.My experience is that whenever I sit before the portrait of saibaba and close my eyes the picture of baba is visible in my mind.Keeping the mind free may be nirgunopasana .I feel it difficult for a sadhaka at the early stage.

mbnarayana | Wed, 07/15/2009 - 05:52
nancy pro's picture

Several ways

There are several straightforward ways, mainly the known yogis techniques and also the occult ones of which you mention one, that invoke assistance from external source like the powers of your guru or use devotional or spiritual trance states.

When the mind is weak enough, you can just decide to stop the thinking and the mind freezes, there is a gap of no mind. Just like this. In order to make the mind weak, the best way is to observe the thoughts constantly. You should exercise this ceaselessly over a period of time.

But if the mind is not weak and you try to force it to stop, there will be conflict and you will just strengthen it.

A very good yogi technique that I like most because it is very efficient and easy is described in Stopping the thinking with no conflict .

Most importantly - do not fall into the temptation of theorizing this issue of freezing the mind, whether possible or not possible, there are people who spend their whole life theorizing instead of just trying (like inspecting a recipe of a cake and speculating whether it is tasty or not instead of just following the instructions, cooking the cake and tasting it).

nancy pro | Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:28