Do you remember that you also are?

divine intervention's picture



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You see this room and you conclude that it exists, can you conclude that you also exist?

You see this table in front of you and you realize that it is, can you realize that you also are?

You see this body and you remember that it is, can you remember that you also are?

The problem is that you cannot see yourself, you cannot perceive yourself. The problem is that you are not an object. And so it is difficult for you to conclude, realize and remember that you are.

Therefore use these objects of which it is easy to conclude, realize and remember that they are. Memorize this conclusive feeling of conviction that they are and then just apply this same attitude on yourself, it is exactly the same feeling.

This trick can link you to the "I Amness", to the feeling of "I AM", to the remembrance of being. It can serve you for having a good taste of being in the primal conceptual state.



Phroggy's picture

I AM

It can hardly go unnoticed that something perceives the room, the table, the body. You do not know that these things exist, all you know is that they are perceived. It may be a dream, an illusion, a trick, but you know that there is a perceiver. This cannot be denied. As you suggest, what it is cannot be known, but you know that it exists, and that it is you. This is all you can know and all you need to know. All else must remain in doubt.

Phroggy | Wed, 12/17/2008 - 23:14
lucas's picture

your comment is not the point!

Regarding your comment - this is not the point - it is just a trick to bring you to this important "I Am" feeling.

What you have done (or actually your mind) is taking it literally and analyzing and dissecting it. It has nothing to do with the above. This approach is good for mathematics maybe.

lucas | Thu, 12/18/2008 - 17:35
nathan's picture

good trick

A good simple signpost. Thank you.

nathan | Fri, 05/01/2009 - 18:59
abra's picture

Gurdjieff's "remember yourself"

Simple yet remarkable method. Tested it for a while. The underlying idea is to apply on the mental object that represents yourself cognition processes that you naturally do on available and visible objects. This way, you are aware of your presence which is another level of presence. Hard to describe in words, one needs to experience it.

It reminds me of the "remember yourself" method of Gurdjieff. Hard but has remarkable outcomes.

abra | Sun, 09/20/2009 - 11:48
RandomStu's picture

> "it exits"

> You see this room and you conclude that it exists

It's one thing to perceive a room. It's something else to have the idea, "It exists." It's possible, and in fact commonplace, to have perceptions WITHOUT adding on the un-nuecessary idea "it exists."

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/booboo.htm

RandomStu | Mon, 10/05/2009 - 01:58
Shailendra's picture

Correct...

....and after all an idea is an idea! It may not be true!! All the things which our eyes see are not always true. Everyday we see sun rising in the morning in east and seting in evening in west but the fact is sun never rises nor sets, never goes any where ! Or it also may not be true!! Because all the ideas are product of mind. The master player!! Always playing tricts!

Shailendra | Thu, 10/22/2009 - 16:58
sharonk's picture

Genius trick helping to feel the "I Am"

This is a GENIUS trick to direct one to the feeling of "I Am". Realy smart, thank you!

sharonk | Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:51
dobro's picture

"Therefore use these objects

"Therefore use these objects of which it is easy to conclude, realize and remember that they are."

Thing is you tend not to 'conclude, realize and remember' ordinary objects, you tend to take them for granted and assume that they're how they appear. So that means you have to make them extraordinary, right? Invest them with a quality of being 'concluded, realized and remembered'.

"Aha! I remember you guys, and I've concluded I realize what you are. Or at least THAT you are, but I can't be bothered with that now because I have to apply this mindset to 'I am'. See, I like looking for 'I am' when I'm in a concluding, realizing, remembering' state of mind."

Nah. Too complicated. :-)

dobro | Sat, 04/02/2011 - 05:36
sharonk's picture

On the contrary

no. what the writer suggests is the simplest thing, you complicated it.

All she says is: tune in to your natural feeling of existence of other things (it is not important whether they really exist or not, what is important is your existing feeling) and then use this very same existing pattern of feeling towards the discussed object: your being. This is the mental notion of "I Am".

It is a good trick.

sharonk | Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:02
dobro's picture

With all respect, you put it

With all respect, you put it better than the OP. :-)

dobro | Sat, 04/02/2011 - 16:42
george's picture

Three that are one

Through practice (not through intellectual reasoning!) one eventually discovers to his/her surprise deep within that Nisargadatta's notion of "I Am", Gurdjieff's "Remember Yourself", and presence are all the same.

This is not trivial at all to those who understand the clear meaning of the various notions. The artificial linkage that some do intellectually based on superficial understanding of these three notions is invalid. The only way to realize this linkage is through direct experience of practising these various techniques.

george | Fri, 04/22/2011 - 10:56