Breathing-based reality check technique

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Time is a concept. It does not exist out of the boundaries of the concept world.

As time does not exist, no thing can be continuous. The only continuous thing is the change. In other words, a thing does not exist out of the boundaries of the cognition world.

The world of concepts and cognition is maintained by the mind. The mind interpolates the inputs of the senses, filling the gaps in the senses' inputs, and gives names to the interpolated objects it constructs in this way. In this way, it simulates a view of continuous time-based reality. The mind does so in order to allow the organism a basic function but it has also a hidden agenda concerning a very specific and unique object: in doing so, the mind makes sure to give a false impression that the "I" exists, as a subject (i.e. the mind) and as an object (i.e. a thing).

Therefore, the best we can say to give a clue about the true nature of reality by using words is that reality restarts a new continuously. This is also not completely accurate but it is something we can start with as mind cannot really grasp change.

To witness this true nature of reality, to have a clue about this by experience use your breathing as a mental metronome. Sit in meditation and view your internal world as if it restarts a new at every breath. Inhale and exhale and view your mental content - emotions, sensations, thoughts, feelings - as if they emerge a new at every breath. Even if there is a same feeling that seems to span multiple breaths, if you inspect carefully using this technique you will see that it is actually not the same feeling, there is a reapearance again and again in every breath, it re-establishes continuously.

At first you will have to do the above artificially as your default view of reality is as if it is a continuous process but at some point, if you persist in the technique, you will suddenly see that actually everything continuously restarts, that in every breath everything is a new, including things and processes that seemed before as continuous.

When you are well established in this new true view of reality (it may take a few sessions to reach this realization), you can open your eyes and other senses and start viewing the external world in the same way - different, restarting a new in every breath.

Make sure you are using the breath for practicing this new view of reality. Also, make sure you do not try to control your breath while practicing it, keep your breath flow natural.



Phroggy's picture

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That's pretty good, but we can also expand beyond this:

"The world of concepts and cognition is maintained by the mind. The mind interpolates the inputs of the senses, filling the gaps in the senses' inputs, and gives names to the interpolated objects it constructs in this way. In this way, it simulates a view of continuous time-based reality. The mind does so in order to allow the organism a basic function but it has also a hidden agenda concerning a very specific and unique object: in doing so, the mind makes sure to give a false impression that the "I" exists, as a subject (i.e. the mind) and as an object (i.e. a thing)."

There is no point at which conceptually constructed objects end and perceiving things begin. It is all simply perception arising. There are no senses, organism or mind. The body and senses arise in response to the concept that there must be a physical means of perceiving. As you have demonstrated, even when we realize there is no object being perceived, we may still believe there is an object perceiving.

As far as the conceptual subject/object split, it doesn't happen because there is an agenda, but rather it happens for the same reason the body and it's senses 'happen', it is assumed on the basis of perception happening. Once this 'me' is assumed, agendas begin forming as a result. Perception IS happening, but there is no perceiver and nothing perceived.

Phroggy | Tue, 10/21/2008 - 20:17
Omkaradatta's picture

Expanding further...

That's pretty good, but we can also expand beyond this: ;-). Or rather, I can expound/spout on it...

"It is all simply perception arising. There are no senses, organism or mind."

The senses are also perceived, are part of perception. The organism is perceived, or thought about -- and thoughts arising in the moment are perceived as well.

In a way there is an organism (if we're going to allow for the existence of other people, other organisms), but it is like an organism of raw perceiving, happening in the moment, with no inner or outer to it.

"Perception IS happening, but there is no perceiver and nothing perceived."

Indeed so, although we do label perception at certain points as "cereal" or "cigarette" or "sensation of warmth", or what have ya.

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Omkaradatta | Tue, 10/21/2008 - 23:42
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"It is all simply perception arising. There are no senses, organism or mind."

"The senses are also perceived, are part of perception. The organism is perceived, or thought about -- and thoughts arising in the moment are perceived as well."

Yeah, that's what I mean by, 'it is all simply perception arising.'

Phroggy | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 01:03
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Afaic...

Yeah, that's what I mean by, 'it is all simply perception arising.'

Afaic (and fwiw, and lotsa other 4-letter acronyms :-p), if this is realized as a steady 'holding on' or timeless abidance, you are in the nondual Reality. There's nothing beyond this, nothing in the future to get or achieve or discover, aside perhaps from discovery itself, which is endless. The search for futility may itself be futile ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 01:31
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Everything in the mind is about looking the other way. Every single movement. This forum is devoted entirely to the avoidance of the obvious. Every forum is. Like a trapped rat desperately seeking another direction to move because if it stops, it's dead. There's nothing to know. I know, and I've always known but didn't know that. Ya know?

Phroggy | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 04:51
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Don't agree

"Everything in the mind is about looking the other way. Every single movement. This forum is devoted entirely to the avoidance of the obvious. Every forum is."

Was every single word of Nisargadatta's, every single thought of Ramana Maharshi dedicated to looking the other way?

Love is about looking toward. And it arises not from the mind, but from Reality itself, and gets expressed through the mind, through words.

Ultimately, there is only Love. To look away is impossible. The ego is nothing but an ever-failing attempt to do so.

And this love is expressed, helplessly. In every single forum.

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 05:32
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That's right, Niz and Ramana weren't speaking from the mind, and ego is an ultimately futile attempt to look away, to not hear. That's all I was saying.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 06:01
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And what I'm saying...

And what I'm saying is that you can view the forums as resistance, or you can view them as love in expression. *Of course* the ego will redouble its attempts, when challenged. That is a given. Such avoidance is utterly natural. What Niz and Ramana were doing is no different than what's happening on these forums, it was only minus the avoidance. We are talking to each other, and that's the whole of it ;-p.

"I am the unbounded deep in whom all living things naturally arise, rush against each other playfully, and then subside." - Ashtavakra Gita

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 06:30
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Sh.....

...ure.

Phroggy | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 09:07
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Hey...

Stop burping on my posts ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 09:25
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hey you two funny guys,

hey you two funny guys, beware of too much intellect and analysis :-) I think the technique speaks for itself.

Shira, i keep benefiting from your wonderful posts - excellent innovative techniques, well-baked explanations. You surprise me again and again. Thanks!

Tania | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 11:33
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Speaking for...

I can't speak for Phroggy, but everything posted here is from direct experience, not from intellect or analysis. I never post about anything that isn't an actuality here.

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 10:23
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Yes, I talk about what seems plainly obvious to me, which is not to say mind isn't involved, but what's talked about is what's being seen rather than mentally concluded. It's basically effortless, and in that seeing, there's often a deeper clarity.

For our friend, I would suggest that there's no need to be afraid of the mind, and be careful of concluding that whatever you don't understand must have been over-thought.

Phroggy | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 17:47
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i don't see this as an expansion of the technique

you mix too many different ingredients in the same dish. The beauty of the op is that you can experience it, that it is not just an hypothesis.

"It is all simply perception arising. There are no senses, organism or mind. "

Give a way to experience this, to incorporate it into the technique otherwise it is as valid as any other theory.

seeker | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 08:28
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Theories

Find a way to experience it yourself. There's nothing wrong with presenting theories -- it should get you interested to prove or disprove it. If not, there's no reason to complain... move along to the next posting.

Spirituality is about self-discovery, it isn't a cook book with recipes in it. Make your own food ;-).

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Omkaradatta | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 10:21
Phroggy's picture

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Well, I wasn't offering a theory or a hypothesis. I was talking about the exact same thing the OP was talking about, seen in the same way that she sees it (though absent the formal 'practice'). I was merely pointing out some of the things that have not yet been seen in her practice.

If "A thing does not exist outside the boundaries of cognition", what of the things called senses? What of the thing called body? Are they not also a matter of cognition? Is not the perceiver just as suspect as the perceived?

Is this not obvious? Is it theory or hypothesis or speculation or somehow unrelated to the original post, or is it that the supposed person is not nearly so eager to include itself in the illusion, and so it simply dismisses?

Phroggy | Thu, 10/23/2008 - 18:07
Psiplex's picture

New Reality

Never saw it that way before. Good for exploring. Thanks for posting Shira!

One Love
Psiplex

Psiplex | Wed, 10/22/2008 - 13:59
slenten's picture

Automatik

The breath will eventually go at its own rate. Khumbaka (retention) will become automatic and concentration will become very deep. One may have to remind the body to inhale from time to time. Subtle breath begins to dominate and the mind halts. The experience is one of continuous energy which does join with kundalini now and then to create an arc or surge of power from the perineum to the solar plexus to the crown of the head. One begins to experience a joyous continuity of the outer and inner states.

slenten | Fri, 10/24/2008 - 10:34
dhorai's picture

time is created by or with pranava!

sit and observe breath is good enough.....
its an excellent technique shira also walking in night watching breath in open air helps system.....
but u must protect with pranava so their is no undue entrance...
good luck on ur journey....

with love
dhorai.

pl.see
i have done many meditation beyond time as to some extent depicted by captain vyom "not captain om" serial and having universal exploration, its not good for unprotected and etc...

dhorai | Mon, 11/17/2008 - 19:25
genep's picture

the deception called Time

"As time does not exist, no thing can be continuous. The only continuous thing is the change. In other words, a thing does not exist out of the boundaries of the cognition world."
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If time does not exist then “change” also cannot exist – one needs the other.
The Relativity of Physics tells us there is no time; the study of thoughts in meditation – the Supreme Science that gave us Advaita -- also tells us that there is no time.
To attack the subject of “there is no time” from every imaginable angle is one way to seek the Obvious, realization: without time reality is a dream, hallucination in Now, Quantum-gap, Self.

If there is no time then there can be no doing: doing means time, from past into future.
If there is no time there is no thinking: thinking is all about time and its past and future.
Because there is no time memory cannot be different from thoughts – this becomes self-evident when thoughts, mind, tries to do the impossible and study/observe thoughts in meditation.
If there is no time then there is no such thing as control: control needs past-future.
Without thinking, control and doing there can be no “choice” let alone the absurdity of free-choice that god did not want, and he could not give to the devil, and so man's Bible conned mankind to have it.
There is no such thing as thinking: and yet somehow: if thinking is shredded with logic the mind will sooner or later self-destruct, and then the deception of matter vanishes to reveal that we are all spirits that appear different when in fact we are all the Same - “the there is no other,” Self.
-- gp

genep | Thu, 03/12/2009 - 00:32
Phroggy's picture

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Very good stuff, but where is MY technique? What do I get out of it? How does this keep ME on the spiritual merry-go-round? How much is a round trip ticket to India these days?

Phroggy | Thu, 03/12/2009 - 03:13
nathan's picture

Utopia vs. practicality

What you say is maybe right from an absolute perspective but the genius in the original post is that it comes from the CURRENT perspective of the reader and taking him from there using a technique and not from a utopian theoretical point from which he cannot start.

In other words, if you are in Boston and wants to go to LA, any way you look at it, you must start at Boston and not from NYC even though there are great shuttles from NYC to LA.

Let's leave the absolute and theoretical truths to the religions and philosophy faculties and stick to the transformative realizations that take into account where we are right now and provide us with tricks to move on.

nathan | Sat, 04/18/2009 - 15:36
Surya Kumar Mishra's picture

Mind

it is born and hence is destructible
It is quite swift
It denvelops the conscience
if we take the mind to the conscience, then we will be able to do much better. Persons who do so are very successful in life. They are also elevated.

Surya Kumar Mishra | Wed, 10/13/2010 - 15:25